295: From Burnout To Alignment For Mother Led Businesses

Naming Emotions And Taking Control

Bron 0:00

And so now I call that, which is name the emotion, you know, what's going on, and control the controllables.

Meet Bronn Watson And Her Mission

Camille 0:18

So you want to make an impact. You're thinking about starting a business, sharing your voice. How do women do it that handle motherhood, family, and still chase after those dreams? Well, listen each week as we dive into the stories of women who know. This is Call Me CEO. Welcome back, everyone, to Call Me CEO. This is your host, Camille Walker, and here we celebrate mothers and women building incredible businesses. And I am so thrilled for you to hear today's guest story because it's going to go in a few different directions, but it is all about inspiration and helping you to find resources when you are in the middle, whether that's something that you are building or something that is growing or a new obstacle that is coming your way. So Braun Watson is the owner and CEO of the Serenity Project and the social coach. She has so much going on. We are going to be going in so many fun directions. But in this conversation, I really love that she is helping women to slow down and reconnect with themselves and build businesses in a place of alignment instead of pressure, that it can be on your own terms and that you can have an honest, grounded approach to any business that you are building and to show up in a way that feels authentic and comfortable to you. So, Braun, thank you so much for coming on the show today. Thank you for having me. It's great to be here. Well, number one, anyone with an accent like yours, I just want to listen to all day. So that's a great place to start. Tell us a little bit more about how your work helps women to find clarity and your story about how you found yours.

Breast Cancer And No Plan B

Bron 2:04

It all started, I think, at, you know, I was now just gonna show you how old I am. I was 40. I'd had my fifth son. And I remember thinking at the time, is this it? Is this what I signed up for? Because I had had a dual career in nursing and nursing education and marketing, and I'd switched between the two careers for a while, like for years, many years. And I remember standing there going, Wow, is this it? And I looked at all my friends who had businesses and I went, I can do that too. So it can't be that hard, can it? Of course not. I'm laughing because it's that is so far from the truth. So I I um I started a business called Nest Power. And so this is where I feel that, you know, as a mother, so I had five children, the youngest would have been why maybe one by this stage, 2010. And I'm learning all this stuff, and I've got all these children, and it just what I learned through those first, let's say maybe eight years of business was that I just worked and worked around my kids, but forgetting that I needed self-care as well. So I feel that when I was as running a business, I built this beast. You know, like the way I liken it is imagine, you know, you go to the pet shop and the saber-toothed tiger for sale, right? But it's a cute little kitten, right? Here's this gorgeous little kitten, and that's your business, right? So you bring home the little kitten and you're going, oh, you're so cute. I love you, little kitten, you're so beautiful. And then the work that you're feeding is the work, aka feeding your kitten suddenly hits you as this thing starts to grow, right? It's growing, it's growing, and you think, oh my gosh, you eat a lot, little kitten. And before you know it, you're riding the back of this saber-toothed tiger. You get off because if you do, it's gonna kill you. That's what happens for what happened for me, and I know a lot of people, is that we hustled hard because that's what we the internet, uh, socials, that's what we were taught. Come on, you can hustle hard. And so I literally busted my gut for myself, not so much for myself, but for my clients, for my business and my kids, to the point where my health and my body said, mm-mm, that's enough, Ron. And I had a diagnosis of breast cancer. And it was literally within a split second from traveling along, growing this mentoring business, marketing, all of the things, this big beast, to suddenly, Ron, it's a Thursday afternoon, you have breast cancer, it is not in the early days, and you will be having surgery next Wednesday. Wow. No plan B. No plan B at all. So, because I'd learnt that plan B means you're not focusing enough on your plan A. You know, because like what? You need a plan B. And so that's when I started to have the epiphany that there are other ways to build businesses that don't need to be a saber-toothed tiger.

Camille 5:24

I love that. No saber-toothed tiger business here. And that's what you're helping women or individuals to do as well. So let's talk about that from the get-go. What was it initially that you had to transition in your own belief code of, you know, this is oh, how I've seen value in myself, pushing myself hard, working so hard, and now pushing on the brakes and going, wait a minute, I can't go at that speed anymore. What did you have to change in your own mind to create this new way of doing things?

Bron 5:57

Oh, look, that is it's never-ending, let's be honest. I feel even now I'm learning to, I don't like the word let go because people used to say, Bron, you've just got to let it go. You've just got to let it go. Well, if I if I could let it go and if I knew how to let go, I would have. So, what that has taught me is well, in that very first times of the diagnosis with the mastectomy, chemotherapy, radiotherapy, man, when you when you're really, really, really sick. And I had to look at what I could do, what I called quality easy. And that was the plan B. So if we have a look at all the things in our lives, for me, I had no plan B. I didn't have backup, I didn't have anything to get me through that. I've I I look back now, Camille, and you know what? I I look back and I think, who is that person? Because I have changed so much within myself, meaning that I have allowed the real Bronn to be here now. This is the real Bronn, mad as hell, but she's here, you know. But and the beliefs that were that hustle, working harder is not the answer, being relentless is not the answer, and pushing through because smart goals and all the things that we're taught in business do not need to come at a cost of your health because it is not sustainable. So I talk a lot about resilience. And when I and I have a real definition of that, which I'm happy to explain in a minute, but it's it's around being resilient, and that comes in my case. You know, some people get a little gut. I had a gut into I knew, I knew the whole time it wasn't right, but I didn't listen because I was too busy doing the do. So I've it's about listening, just slowing down enough to listen because you can you can achieve so much more if you slow down and listen than pushing through like a steam train.

Camille 8:00

How did you allow yourself to slow down? Was there a moment when you started treatments that I mean, physically you couldn't push at the same speed? You were forced to slow down. I was forced to slow down. What was it that then translated into creating the same results in terms of being you were talking about getting the work done and not pushing it the same way? What allowed you to do that without having to be in that hustle mindset?

Quality Easy And Slowing Down

Bron 8:31

Because physically I couldn't. Um, so after my the biggest the epiphany moment, which I share often because it was a brick through the head, not just a hey, wake up, Bron. And it was when I had had my, it was a second round of chemotherapy. I was sick. Oh my goodness, red, bald, full of medication. Because what happens when you have chemotherapy is that they give you the chemotherapy, but there's a whole swag of medication they give you to minimize the side effects of the chemotherapy, but then they have side effects. So then you're on medication for the side effects of the side effects. Yeah.

Speaker 9:13

Oh my goodness.

Serenity Prayer And Control Controllables

Bron 9:14

So you're just this massive walking ball. And yes, there's so much we can what I now know is there's so much we can do within that space. Would I and so I'm looking at myself. I caught a glimpse of myself in the mirror. I I was I'd walked out of the hospital four hours before, and I'm looking at myself and I went, Who is that person? Realizing it's me, going, who is that? Like I looked so different to me. I used to have long curly hair. I will never have long curly hair, it's dead straight now. But I looked and I caught a glimpse of my eyes and I looked at myself and I said, Do you want to die? Because if you keep this up, you're going to you're going to die. 48 years old, five children. Youngest was, I don't know what he was, eight, maybe. You know, imagine your son, he's your baby, and they're they're looking at you, and I'm thinking, if I if I keep, you know, and that is where I literally shut down the my mentoring business overnight with no plan. Was it hard? Yes. Was it easy for clients? No. Was it fun? No. Did I have to then re-event re-evolve into what could I do financially? Man, the whole business, a lot of it had gone. Have I ever, you know, I think it did get back to where it was just before the blood kind of blood cancer diagnosis in 2023. So it's happened twice. And through that time, I started to learn what I call, now it's called the Serenity Project, but what I am the Serenity Project and what that was, it's based on the Serenity Prayer, which is from Alcoholics Anonymous. I don't know if you've heard of it, which is God grant me serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. So insert your God, whoever you believe goes in there, and that was what I held on to. And learning to accept what I could not change from someone who's a mother of five boys running a business, my beautiful husband, life. You you control a lot of things because, well, especially when your babies are small, you have to. You just have to because that's well, for me, that's what I had to do for my family and being the best version of me, my the best mum that I could be. And suddenly I'm now this really sick mom. And so I it was around finding what I could do, not what I couldn't, because you can really hold on to what you can't do or hold on what you can't achieve or what you want. You can hold on to all of those things that, oh my God, how come I'm not ruining my goals? Or, you know, what's wrong with me? There's nothing wrong with you, but what's right with you? What can you do? And so now I call that, which is name the emotion, you know, what's going on, and control the controllables and learning the difference of what you can control and what you can't. And that's where hustle, goodbye, relentless goodbye, resilience, welcome, come on in. And that's where for me it was a survival game, but it's also the best thing I ever learned in business, which I wished I'd known 12 years before.

Second Diagnosis And Trusting Your Gut

Camille 12:42

Hmm, that is so powerful. I love what you talked about, where you said, don't look at it what is wrong, but what is right and what you can do? I would love to know in terms of you mentioned you had a second diagnosis of cancer. What was the timeline between going through treatments for your breast cancer and then having the diagnosis for the second? Were you able to get through all of your treatments for the first? And then what was the timeline there? What was that like for you?

Planning Around Healing And Values

Bron 13:13

Well, it was it was the five-year mark. So I had I was starting to so in the cancer treatment in Australia at the five year mark, you're cured. Okay, so you're cured. So I was saying goodbye to the surgeon, so the oncologist, the radiologist, because they check on you every year, scans, all of the things. And so I'd had one little pesky blood result that was just kept staying low the whole five years. And I thought it was just the chemotherapy had knocked my bone marrow around. And so my Jeep, my doctor said, Okay, let's just get this checked, make sure it's nothing. Okay, so off we go. Go to the doctor, it's January 2023. I go to, I see him and he I go to see him, I get the results. He goes, No, everything's great, Bron. I won't need to see you again. Four days later rings and he said, Bron, you know those two blood results that I hadn't got back and I had said to you, don't worry about them. He goes, Well, they're bad. They're really bad. I went, What? I was literally in the middle of onboarding a new team member, literally in the middle of that session when he rang. I don't even know why I answered the number, and I did. And so here I am getting this diet, getting this news that to say there's something really wrong. He already knew what was wrong, but I didn't. And then going back and continuing onboarding my beautiful Emily at the time. She's not mine, by the way. But um, it was horrific. So you go through the curable lane, and it's always about the cure, and what if it comes back to now being in a lane which is you have incurable cancer, Bron, blood cancer, and it's a marathon now. So now it's never-ending. Um, it's very tiring at times when things aren't quite right. Last few months, one little blood's been up and down. So I encourage people to listen to their gut. Because if your gut is saying to you it's off, it's off. And go and learn and figure it out before you have something really big. Because you never think adversity is going to come, but adversity comes in all shapes and sizes. It just does over life, and that's not a negative thing, just stuff happens. So, how about in it? Wouldn't it be wonderful in my case? And I'd already started the process, thank God, literally, that I had started to learn who I was and what I valued. And that is what drives me now. So, in business, you know, when you do your yearly planning and you've got your goals. So back in the day, I'd have Bron Watson brand in the middle or the Serenity or whatever, the social coach business in the middle, and then I'd have off all the, you know, I was a visual, so that's how I did my mapping. Well, my mapping in the middle is the word healing. And everything that I do in business in life all revolves around healing, because not everyone gets a diagnosis where they can be healed, but every single one of us can be on a path of healing. And that is how I build my business, my business plan. You're thinking, how the heck is that relevant? It is absolutely relevant because I'm now doing things that only are in alignment with my healing plan. So if you have a healing plan or what insert whatever is important to you, if motherhood and being there for your children are not missing a thing, that goes in the middle, and then everything else comes off it, whether it be online courses, blogs, podcasts, workshops, whatever you do in your business, selling stuff online, that all comes out from what's really important, which is your goal, because you can put numbers on that. You don't have to put, oh, I'm gonna win, you know, 500,000 or 250 grand or whatever your number is. I don't care what the number is, the number's not the important thing. It's about the commitment to whatever that thing is, and then you build whatever you can build. Whatever you want to build goes around it. Is it in so you can literally say, is it in a line with healing, Braun? No, okay. Thank you, but no, thank you. I'll find someone who in business now, in marketing, in socials, I'll find someone who's more suitable for that person. Because it's not in alignment with me. I didn't have that strength before. It's called courage. It's called I call it courage. It is straight courage. Um, which I think any woman who starts a business with children, they are I just am in awe.

Camille 17:54

I agree. I agree. I mean, any and a lot of times it things are born from necessity, where whether it's a solution to a problem or having to pivot and provide, or you know, being in the middle of a crash of the market or a pandemic, there are birth points that often come from the death of something. Exactly. So it's interesting to hear that growth and that wisdom that you've developed and earned, you know, through this time. Yeah, it's a and and sorry, you go, you go. Oh, you go, because I think we're both let's continue on that. What what have you learned in that process?

Bron 18:34

What I have learned, the very first thing again is to listen to myself. That when you don't know something, it's okay. But it all comes back to a beautiful, beautiful. I had it, I've had an energy healer for the last few years. I don't sorry, Carrie, I'm not quite sure if you're right title, but she does this most incredible stuff, and she has a saying which is I know I will, I just don't know how. And that in business is so important. So, because you know, you know, in business, I know I will with the Serenity Project, which is you know, my new baby. I don't know how, but I'm absolutely comfortable with not knowing how, versus the old Braun, which would have been, oh, quick, we gotta, we've got to map this thing out, or uh, you know, we've got to find answers to everything. Gotta, we've got to have all the answers. Whereas now I wouldn't have a clue. We're just doing the do.

Camille 19:40

Yeah, I love that. In terms of building this business and the Serenity Project, what would you say your number one goal is for helping women?

Bron 19:52

My number one goal with Serenity Project. So, Serenity Project is what I call the third space. So that's the space between science and soul and evidence and perspective in this cancer world. No, I'm not a doctor. I have people on the team, I have psychologists, we have people who, you know, therapists, you know, rehab people, all who are experts. So I surround myself with smart, super cool people who know a thing or two. Because I don't know all the answers. I'm not, I'm not meant to. Because what happens in cancer, for example, same as business mod I add, what do we do? We research, we're now using AI. We're gonna go create all this stuff, but you don't really know what you're reading. So if you're gonna go read in, let's just put it into Serenity Project Land, you're gonna go read a science article written by scientists around treatment for cancer, but you're not a scientist. So you don't know what you're reading. And it's okay not to know. So let them do the reading, let them do all the things, and you learn from the summaries, you learn from the people who know the things. So I feel that um in in that space in business, it's around surrounding yourself with people to in my world who are so smart at what they do, and that I don't need to have to have all the answers. Do you notice there? There's a lot of letting go of control that I'm talking about. I'm talking about letting go of the control of having to know it all. When you're starting a business, you can't you can't have a team. Yes, I've got a team now, but I didn't have a team. I've done all the jobs. I do it that I know their jobs better than they do because I've done their jobs. Does that make sense? Is that yeah?

Camille 21:34

Yeah, absolutely. I'd be curious to know as you've built sustainability with alignment, as you're talking about, what is one of the number one things in your day that you have built around your ecosystem to create sustainability and alignment?

Focus On What Is Next

Bron 21:52

Well, I think having a team definitely helps. So obviously, I feel very blessed that I do have a team. And I love my beautiful people who have been me through through thick and thin. And that obviously didn't come by accident. So staying in alignment and building is, I really think comes back to you know you will, but you don't know how. And it's and it's I liken it to um like playing basketball. So, you know, we're on the basketball court, right? I'm I'm a forward, you're the guard, whatever. And we miss the shot. We lose the ball. Come off, we've got the timeout. Come on, off we come, do the timeout. And we have two choices. We can talk about what's just happened, which is oh my god, Bron, you missed the what happened, versus what's next. We focus on the what's next, not the whole game, not the whole season, not the whole five years, but just the what's next. When you focus on what's next, because that's I don't know how, but I know I will. Yeah, they all join together. And it's like showing up on social media, obviously running a marketing agency. When you show up and you look and you go, Oh god, no, I look so bad. It doesn't matter. You just keep showing up and you keep showing up and you keep doing the what's next. And that I feel is the the beginning of understanding with alignment and building this business or building any business is being specific with what that business is going to do or who you want to who you want to serve and support, but understanding you only need the what's next. You don't need the whole game. How could you possibly control all of that? Yes. Talking talking to myself 10 years ago.

Camille 23:44

With this community that you're helping, it's obviously very soul-led a project where you really want to help people who are struggling. Is there a story that you can share with us of someone that you've been able to help in this space?

Bron 23:58

Well, interestingly enough, I was I was telling you before we started recording, is I've got an email overnight from I don't even know where this guy is, who has been listening to the Serenity Rising podcast. So that's a podcast in relation to Serenity Project. And he's listened to an interview I had with a woman who had stage four lymphoma 20 years ago, 24 years ago, and how she's managed her life through these 24 years. And he's asked if he could be a guest. And he said, and then and towards the end, he said, Bronn, people are listening to your message, and thank you for sharing. So wow. That when I when I am hard showing up for myself, because there are everyone has days when they find it hard to show up, whether they have a sick child, whether they're not feeling great, whether they've just jumped off a plane from Japan, which is me. It's like, well, that makes it all worth it because it's not the many, it's the one that matters. And this guy, I've been able to help him. And I don't even know where he is in this world. And he has breast cancer, and it's now stage four. Like, wow, I want to hear what this guy's doing. He's starting a research foundation. I can't wait to meet him. That's how we know that what we're doing is making a difference.

Camille 25:27

Yeah. Oh, that is so powerful. Now, this pod, the podcast that you started, you mentioned, I just want to make sure that we say it so people can check it out. It's the is it the Serenity Rising podcast? It is, it is. It's like brand, it's like I've done like 12 episodes. Okay, it's new. That's okay.

Bron 25:46

It's December, most don't. I know I've done 12, like, oh my goodness. Yes. So that's all part of like if that just if people just went to Serenityrising.com.au, they can they'll find everything they need to connect and and find out more around what I'm up to and the message, because it's it's the same as what your message, which is the more we collaborate, the more we talk, the more we share the real stuff, the real stuff, especially as women and especially as mothers and business and CEOs. I mean, I I I felt ashamed to call myself a CEO, I reckon, for the first eight, 10 years of my business, because I'm not a CEO, but I was. I'm a CEO of myself. I'm the CEO of Braun of the gang, the kids, the shoes, the bags, the whole thing. You are a CEO, my friends. You are CEOs. Yeah. So um, yeah, strange, but true.

Camille 26:40

Yeah. I would love to hear, especially where you're in a space of healing being your focus, as well as helping others to find resources and resiliency. What is it in a daily practice for you that helps you maintain resiliency and a positive outlook?

Bron 26:58

The first thing that I really stand by for myself is a book written in the 90s called The Artist Way. I don't know if you've ever heard of it. And it's got a thing called morning pages. Yeah. And morning pages is all about it's journaling, but it's not journaling at a particular time, right? Because a lot of people in healing, in even growing businesses, right, set out a to-do list and they fill their calendars with stuff. So I journal, but it might not be, it might not be at seven in the morning, it might be 10, it might be 12. But I I I write my morning pages, which is three pages of stuff. I never reread it. I'm not writing to-do lists, I'm just writing how I feel because I know physiologically, I know psychologically and spiritually, when we literally write out, we're letting stuff be. Not letting go, I call it letting be. Because we are human beings, we are not human doings. So for me, I write down whatever I'm feeling, like, oh my god, my specialist, you're such a dick, you know, insert bad words. Or, you know, it could be just something that it could be a frustration, but it's the feelings, right? Because when we name it, we can then do things with it. And so the sheer act for me of of writing my morning pages, could be at five o'clock in the afternoon, because that's what happens, is a way of it is such a it's such a deep thing that once you give it a go. It's not journaling for the sake of journaling, guys. It's journaling to just write whatever's coming out, you write it. It's not to, you know, it's not to do dot points and put a lovely to-do list together. That's not what it's about. It's just, you know, like, oh my gosh, Bron. It could be good, bad, or ugly. Doesn't matter. It's for you and you don't uh for me, I don't read it again.

Camille 28:56

Yeah. I I actually love that practice too. And I what I love about it as well is that so often we're critical of things that making sure it sounds just right or the punctuation or that the writing looks good or that it has even a clear flow of consciousness in terms of making sense. And it doesn't have to be anything or anything, anything at all. Like it really can just be a flow of whatever's coming out and whatever needs to be written. I actually grew up journaling from a really I went to a private school when I was young. I started the first two years being bilingual, and my teachers were from Guatemala. And wow, yeah, isn't that interesting? So I never talked about this. Oh wow, what happened? I love that. But what was what I loved a practice that we did was daily journaling. And I started at five years old journaling, and I have a a chest, uh like a a big chest in my bedroom at the foot of the bed that is full of my journals from the time I was five until now. And what I really think helped me more than anything was the emotional awareness of my feelings, and I think it developed a maturity of understanding my own feelings and others' emotions. And I didn't even realize what a gift that was until years and years later, where I when I started blogging, that took a big part of my personal journaling into a public forum. But then I was creating for someone else. I was creating for the purpose of them consuming it and reading it and interpreting it however they would. And I stopped writing for myself and I realized there was a big piece of healing and understanding and processing that was missing because my writing that came from such a pure love and place of just coming from the flow of my consciousness for the purpose of my own need became performative. And so it's just been in the last few years that I've now started creating a journal just for myself with morning pages, as well as a Sunday practice where I will even during church, I go to church weekly, I will journal. That's more of a recap for my family where I'll write down the going on and what's on my mind as well. But it has been so wonderful. It's like coming back to an old friend of the peace that can be found in journaling and allowing yourself to have free speech, I guess, in your own world. It is, yeah, it's so freeing.

Boundaries At Home And In Business

Bron 31:40

It's I I can't, for me, the gift of what that has given me, because as I said, that one, the physiological act of writing, yes, old school pen, in my case, pencil. I've written in pencil in business from the very beginning, and I write in pencil. And it's that's a choice, by the way, but it's more that free flowing, as you say, consciousness. But I think it's also what comes through with that is the subconscious. And what it's doing is it's naming feelings, it's naming emotion. And as I said before, when we separate that, this is where the science in the soul comes in. When you separate that, it becomes manageable. So even when things are dark or they're good, and you're writing things that you may or may not ever say to anyone else, it's allowing that space to allow it to flow. And that is how I've learned what letting go looks like. It's actually letting be because you've no longer trying to control it. You no longer, in my case, me I used to be called Mrs. Fix It because I would fix everything for everyone else. Yeah. And now I'm happy to help as long as it's in alignment with me. Classic example, 16-year-old baby, he's nearly six foot tall, my baby. Um, the youngest, Mom, where's my socks? I don't know. Did you put them in the bar in the wash? I don't know. I said, well, maybe you need to go and check your room. Not my problem.

Speaker 33:23

Whereas the old Bron, oh, let me help you find your socks. Let's get your socks and no, no, no, panic, panic, and panic, and it's like, no, if you don't have socks, it's not my problem.

Bron 33:31

Love you, darling. Figure it out yourself. He's better off for it because then he's gonna learn to get his uniform ready properly versus me trying to fix it and control us. It sounds weird, I know.

Camille 33:45

But it's so real. It's really freeing to do it with your spouse, too. Where you know, well, mom knows where it is, mom can find it, mom knows. And now I have picked up, even if I do know, I say, Oh, I don't know. Oh, I don't know, I'm not sure. Yeah, and it's so freeing, it's so nice to not have to be the answer to everything to everyone.

Bron 34:07

Exactly. And it sounds, oh, it's too simple. It's not too simple. It's if by back that's a really great way of holding a boundary for yourself because you're now looking after yourself, which is you know what, Ollie, I can't be bothered finding your socks, it's not my problem. Sounds so simple, but it's actually so much bigger than that because it's saying to myself, no, Bron, you don't need to fix that situation. You don't need to be the answer, you don't need to be Mrs. Fixit. And it's in business, pushing back on your team. If this, if it's not in place, it means that our systems aren't up to speed. When when if I'm the bottleneck, which I am ask the girls, I'm the bottleneck. But we want systems in place, and those systems are the same systems like internalized internal systems, external systems, systems for the kids. It's just those boundaries around putting things in place so that you are in alignment. Sounds weird now that I'm listening to myself, but that is the truth. If I could look back at myself, I would have loved in business to have learned. I wish I had done a module myself back in the world, how to look after yourself 101 before starting the business. Because if you learn that, businesses just boom. Yeah, it really they really do.

Where To Connect And Closing

Camille 35:25

Yeah. Oh, well, this has been so wonderful. Please tell our audience more about where they can learn about you, your podcast, and your business.

Bron 35:34

Look, you know, I think the best thing on the socials, just Braun Watson, you'll see me there, LinkedIn, find me there and message. If there's any questions, please send them through. And then I said before, Serenityproject.com.au, we have a beautiful little, you can even leave a voice message, and we I will respond to every single person. So um, yeah, love to connect if anyone's got a question, whether it be business or health related. And when I say health, I am not the fixer because I'm not the doctors, I'm not the I'm not all the specialists, I'm not the heal the energy healers, but I know people who are. So um, yeah, happy to connect and answer any questions.

Camille 36:08

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