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Have you ever wondered how you can find stewardship in your home and business? In this episode, Camille welcomes Ganel-Lyn Condie, a motivational speaker and best-selling author who shares her principles to help others live more empowered and joyful lives.

Ganel-Lyn shares her own journey in finding stewardship after dealing with various challenges such as healing from a chronic illness, dealing with infertility, and losing her own sister to suicide. She shares her advice on how to move from ownership to stewardship in your family and business so that you too can find balance and harmony in your life. 

If you’re interested in learning more about how you too can share your own purpose and voice, tune into this episode to hear Ganel-Lyn’s steps on how you can use stewardship to empower yourself and also inspire others.


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If I told you, Camille, I'm going to go back to school and get a PhD, you would be so high fiving me. And for me, therapy is education for my brain and my heart and my relationships. And that should never be embarrassing.



So, you want to make an impact. You're thinking about starting a business sharing your voice. How do women do it that handle motherhood, family, and still chase after those dreams? We'll listen each week as we dive into the stories of women who know. This is Call Me CEO.


Welcome back everyone to Call Me CEO. This is your host, Camille Walker. And if this is your first time here, welcome. If you're a repeat listener, thank you so very much. We talk about women building businesses here, balancing family, finding the best solution for you. It's all about that perfect harmony. Each of us is different.

And today's guest is an expert in that and also finding stewardship in the role that you play in home, in business, in relationships. And her name is Ganel-Lyn Condie. She is a professional speaker, media host, and author. And when I met her, she came highly recommended. They were like, "You've got to come meet her," and so grateful that we have been able to connect. I can't wait to talk about all of these amazing topics today. Thank you so much for being here.

GANEL-LYN [01:28]

I just say I think from COVID, we just got better at technology. And so now, we get to have way more conversations and COVID was really hard. But sometimes I feel like certain conversations are happening now only because we've learned how to pivot and use Zoom much better. So, it's cool to be connected with you today.

CAMILLE [01:47]

Yeah, I agree with that. It's interesting how devastation can bring revelation and inspiration for new ways of doing things. And you see that through all of the hundreds and hundreds of years of time. So, I am grateful for that. Thank you for bringing that perspective. And I would love for everyone to get a better feel for who you are, what your mission is, your purpose. Tell us about what you do and who you are.

GANEL-LYN [02:11]

I think first and foremost, especially for your audience, I'm a mom of two adult children. So, I'm a new empty nester as of a few months ago, which is a weird, new transition. My husband and I have been married 32 years. And we're alphabet dating. So, if anyone follows me on social media, we're on at the time of this taping, K. We just finished the K date. And so, we're trying to transition into a new season of life.

But I have 17, I think at this point, published books. And I've hosted four different weekly shows. Locally, I've been doing Good Things Utah. For our Utah audience, they'll be familiar with that television show. I've done that for about seven years on a monthly basis. And I'm often on KSL Radio, KSL-TV, and The Lisa Show on BYU radio.

And I really love when I get to speak on platforms like this because what I've come to know is that we're in someone's earbud while they're journeying through life or trying to do the laundry or pay the bills or build the business. And I'm 52. And I've dealt with chronic illness and the death of my 40-year-old sister nine years ago to suicide.

And so, for me, mental health is always the thing I squeeze in, so whether it's in a book or speaking on a stage or interviewing on a podcast or guesting on TV radio, I try to incorporate mental health because for me mental health is health. And so, that's everyone on the planet that needs to have the conversation.

And so, her story, she's still my partner. I've shared her story thousands and thousands of times all over the world. And I feel like she's my partner and having a different conversation. And I would say nine years later, there are more voices having that conversation. And that gives me some hope. I feel like the needle is moving in some really powerful ways within the mental health community and in our everyday lives.

So, that's a little bit about me. And I'm a pretty open book. And I try to be real and authentic and it takes courage and it costs you to be that way. But I've just decided that there doesn't need to be any more voices out there if we're not having real conversations. And so, I'm excited to see where our conversation goes today.

CAMILLE [04:39]

Yeah, me too. As we're filming this, this is actually September 12th, which National Suicide Awareness Day was just two days ago. And they say that there's a suicide every 40 seconds. So, I shared that NFL ad.

GANEL-LYN [04:55]

Yes. I just connected with Caitlin and I just was at an event with her. And she's the machine and engine behind that new NFL. It's QB United. And it's a really cool message that all of these big football players are having this conversation. And that's really important, not to cut you off, but men are the number one group dying by suicide, middle-aged men.

And that sometimes shocks people when I share that statistic because they think teens or LGBTQ. And though our veterans and those demographics do have high numbers, but just based on number, men are the number one group dying by suicide. And so, I think it's powerful when football players are joining the conversation.

CAMILLE [05:41]

Yeah, I remember as a kid hearing about I had a couple of classmates through whispered in the hall that they had lost their dads to suicide. But that's all it was. We never dug into why would someone do that? What are the implications of that? What is the mental health crisis that's going on behind that? So, to see that these men are now speaking for other men and bringing awareness to the issue and that we're so much more connected by it than we even realize. And so, I think that giving power and voice to that is so impactful.

GANEL-LYN [06:19]

One of the things I like to share when we're having conversations around mental health is that everyone either struggles themselves or loves someone that struggles. And when I say struggle, I mean like chronic, high-risk, mental health struggle.

I think all of us deal with mental health every day. We should be checking in with ourselves every day. Where's my mental health at and what does support look like today? That's all of us. It's just as integral to your health and well-being as your physical health and your exercise program and all the things we tweet and post in Instagram about and all the reels about how to do this exercise move and eat this food. To me, it all goes back to what is our brain and our heart feeling about life that day?

And so, when we think of mental health in that way, that it's health and that all of us either struggle at a high level or love someone that does, that's everyone on the planet. There's not a different demographic that needs to be having mental health conversations.

Last night, I went to a yoga class with my husband. And he doesn't do yoga and I shattered my wrist in 52 places in January. I have a metal plate and nine screws in my wrist right now. So, it was the first time that I've done yoga in a long, long time. And it was this beautiful, supportive, it was an evening class, it was not super high pose impact. And I was just in the zone of gratitude. And you know how people feel after they do something that really nurtures their body and their soul?

By the time we got home last night, I was in a full-blown anxiety attack about some big changes in my life professionally these last few months. And the voice in my head, the story in my head was not great. And so, I did some journaling last night that I shut down, I know I closed off. And I just share that as a little glimpse into, I think, people that know me from books or social media or speaking or media think somehow that I have this conversation and that it's happening. And I'm speaking at it as an observer. I am experiencing it. And I have to address my mental health every single day.

And I have a really big toolbox. I put a lot of tools in there. And some days, the tools that I've used that have worked really well aren't working. So, conversations like this and podcasts like this to me are really helpful in that hopefully what we share with each other spurs an idea for a listener that may be feeling like they don't know what tool to use or they've used all the tools that used to work and they're not working anymore.

I talked to a lot of women and men that think of therapy as just this one thing. It's traditional talk therapy. And I like to talk about therapy as education. I have a teaching degree and a minor in psychology. And I would just say therapy for me is a much broader term than it was even five years ago. There's EMDR. There's DBT. There's light therapy I use during the winter. I get massage on a regular weekly basis because of my physical health and my mental health.

And so, let's expand the idea of what therapy looks like and what tools are and what support looks like and realize that therapy, whatever therapy you're using is education. And no one is embarrassed about more education. If I told you, Camille, I'm going to go back to school and get a PhD, you would be so high fiving me. And for me, therapy is education for my brain and my heart and my relationships. And that shouldn't ever be embarrassing.

CAMILLE [09:59]

I love that so much. I love that. I love that because it really is as we go into therapy at any medium that it is, it's teaching us a broader perspective or a way of looking at things or how to deconstruct something and build from there.

I'm really curious just to pivot back a little bit. How did you get into this space of having such a wide media presence? Because I have a lot of women who I talked to who are passionate about a certain genre or topic or business and they want to become a public speaker or they want to become radio or media, anything. What was it about your career path in that regard that led you to being a voice piece in so many different areas?

GANEL-LYN [10:43]

So, I'm really grateful that we're recording this because I get this question on social media. I get DMs for this question almost on the daily. And now, I'm just going to send them the link for this.

CAMILLE [10:54]

There we go. Thank you.

GANEL-LYN [10:55]

I'm going to just say I answer it here. And so, let me try to be very specific and very general. And the reason I say that is because in the influencer world, which I don't necessarily love that term, I feel like I'm still a teacher. And so, the classroom I'm using is Instagram, writing a book or doing an interview, right? To me, I'm still about education.

I am not the biggest educator in the world of influencers, numbers-wise. I can get frustrated with the algorithms and the outcomes and the numbers. So, I want to say that out loud because I know there's someone in your audience. There's been so many times, especially the last three months that I've almost shut all my accounts down and decided, God, for me, it's God, whatever your religious identifying term might be. For me, I call God, God. And I've said to God like, maybe you don't need my voice in this way.

So, first and foremost, I would just be really clear that because we have these social media tools, you are no longer dependent on someone else giving you permission with a green light. You can start a YouTube channel, an Instagram account, a Facebook group literally right now. When I started in this world. I've been a magazine editor. Facebook was just starting. Literally, we were trying to create in print form what Instagram is now, what Facebook groups are now. We were trying to create community and connection for women along The Wasatch Front. And we were trying to spotlight diversity in print form because there was not a way to meet up.

And so, first and foremost, I would say if there's something on your heart that give God credit that he may be calling that to you, start. No one has to give you permission. You don't have to join a writers group. Because Amazon now allows you to self-publish, right? If you want to join a writers group so that you have some feedback and support, great, but that's the first thing I would say is start taking steps forward. God can use movement.

And sometimes, we want to sit in our office and come up with the plan. And I will say after all these years, I have just tried to act on the impressions, the feelings, and the thoughts that have come to me. Now, I say that and just I will be very pragmatic and say the speaking career started because someone asked me to speak. And at the time, I was doing an organizational consulting business. And then, I spoke, and that group, people went to work and said, "Hey, we just heard this speaker." And it snowballed in that way.

Sometimes, I feel like my career is so diverse that that's a gift. And sometimes, especially when it comes to algorithms, it's a curse. And my Instagram account is not a photography account. It's not a DIY account. It's not a food blog. It's not a mommy blogger, right? I create faith content, mental health content. I'm a writer. I'm a speaker. I do media. I have lupus. I lost a sister to suicide. I'm an empty nester. And that's harder because I can't just say I'm just this area that I can specialize in.

And a lot of experts out in the field will tell you, find that one thing and hone it into that. And so, I would say to your audience, it's asking those questions, it's relationship-based. And so, my TV connections are based on relationship. I go on Good Things Utah every month. They've never once told me what topic.

So, after we're done talking, I'm sending my email with my topic for next month. And I've been sitting with it. And I try to really just share what's really happening in my life. What are middle-aged women that are trying to balance their health, their families, and their work career in a world that is very crowded and very loud? There are a lot of voices out there. There are a lot of whatever we would call influencers or successful people shaping conversations.

And all I'm trying to do is be me. And if I'm not adding to the conversation in a unique way or trying to solve a problem, then I don't need to show up just to talk. And so, when I give counsel or answer a DM on this, I would say look at everything before you as a stewardship. And that is a book I released last year called The Stewardship Principle. It really has changed how I frame everything. If someone has invited you or you're having the feeling like I want to talk about my child who's dealing with spectrum behavior or I want to talk about starting a floral design business. I don't know.

But I would say, anyone that's listening to this, there's no one that has your voice. There's no one. I get compared to people all the time. You're the, whatever person, Brene Brown like, or you're this kind of person, if they know me from a faith community, right?

Whatever that thing is, it's obvious you're going to run into people that are doing it already. And yet, where I think we get trapped in is that one, we go into comparisons in our stewardships. And we say, so and so's already bigger. They're already doing it, right? Or we get into this other new trap.

I think this is a new modern day problem. This is my new modern day problem. I think we are all trying to be so unique that we're stagnating in our creation and our offering because we haven't come up with the most unique viral video or reels or Etsy store or website design.

So, I think we get trapped on either end of those bookends, right? One bookend is you have to be like, fill in the blank, Brene Brown, whatever, or Oprah, right? And if you're not that, then you're not successful. Before Instagram, if I had done any content that reached 2000 people, I would have been so happy. But now that Instagram is out there, if a reel only gets 2000, that's not good enough. And yet, I have to reframe that sometimes of, I just connected with 2000 people today by sharing that little video about whatever. And so, that's one of the bookends.

The other bookend is if we don't get so creative and so unique and come up with our shtick or our theme that is going to set us apart and make us so memorable, then we're not making an impact either. And I would just say, you know what? Really, on the outside, people look at me, I look like a middle-aged white lady that lives in Utah. I don't look like I have a diverse experience. I do. If you sit and talk with me, I have a unique contribution, but so does everyone in your audience. Sometimes, we think we know despite that 30-second reels what someone is about. And the reality is we're all complex. And we all have a unique perspective.

And that's why I don't write fiction books. I write nonfiction because to me, the coolest stories are the people standing behind me in line at Target that don't have an Instagram account. They don't have a YouTube channel. They don't own a business. They're just taking care of their aging parent or they've checked on their neighbor who just went through a loss or they're the ones who pull in the garbage can for the neighbor on the corner that they know is dealing with some health issues, right?

To me, those are the gamechangers. Those are the voices in the world that are having impacted. And so, as much as I'm so grateful that we have platforms like this where we get to have impact in a different way, we can get frozen and paralyzed when ,all of a sudden, we're in comparisons. And that's where I think the stewardship principle is so helpful because it's all stewardship.

CAMILLE [19:08]

Yeah. Let's break that down. Because stewardship, I think that that's maybe a term that people aren't as familiar with. As we're talking about this stewardship principle, tell us what that means and how we break that down into improving our lives and lives of others. What does it mean to you? And what is the breakdown of that description?

GANEL-LYN [19:28]

So, it's a really simple principle. And it's super complex. So, it's literally everything in your life. So, it's the microphones we're talking into, our computers, our dogs that need to go for a walk to the groomer to the vet, our kids, our infertility, our marriage, our divorce, our cancer diagnosis, and running a marathon. So, it's literally everything. So, it's the business you have in the job you lost. It's the good stuff and the hard stuff.

And this principle was introduced to me over 10 years ago. And I wrestled with it. Especially at the time, I was dealing with some parenting issues that were hard. And it really changed how I saw, as a parent, my role in my kids' life. So often the opposite of being a steward is an owner. And in ownership and especially in corporate settings, taking ownership is a buzzword right now. And everyone's like, "Take ownership of your life, of your business, of your health, of your marriage."

Being a steward doesn't mean you're not intentional or not trying. But to me, ownership is a very stagnant way to look at the world. For example, if I'm in ownership with my kid, then the choices, the grades, the behavior of my child tends to feel like something I own. And as a parent, we know what that's like to feel frustrated when your kid comes home and they didn't turn in their homework or they acted out at school or they're dealing with depression or maybe even more serious, they're dealing with some addiction that is life-threatening, right?

That ownership mentality of, if I'm a better parent than my kid will make a better choice is very limited. When I see my child as a steward, and as a parent, I'm intentionally trying to be a steward in their lives, then their behavior isn't something about me. Their behavior is a stewardship in my life that I can have influence on and support of. That's one example. If someone's a parent, I can explain stewardship really fast.

CAMILLE [21:28]

Yeah. That's easy to understand and also very freeing, where I think when we tried to get in control of, "Why didn't you turn that assignment in or why do you have Ds and Fs?" I had this conversation this week. We just had midterms. And I'm literally role playing this out in my head and seeing relationships and conversations, talking.

But I love that, that concept of, I'm here to help guide and direct, but I don't own your behavior. That's something that I can't control. And once you step back into that, and I feel like that even happens when you have small kids too, when you have preschoolers and you try to control or to hold on to what they're wearing or what they're saying or how they're behaving. And it can get so frustrating. And then, you have kid two, three, four. And you're like, yeah, they'll just do that, they'll grow out of it. The perspective just changes.

GANEL-LYN [22:24]

It does. And I will say I had too many arguments for third grade homework as if that was going to affect Harvard or prison. In my mind, that outcome was so impactful for their future, of their success, of their life. And now that I have adult children, I have a 19-year-old and a 25-year-old. If you can practice this principle when your kids are three and then keep practicing it through 10 and 15, and 16 and 25, it keeps the relationship about connection and not control.

When it comes to business. I think this principle is so empowering because recently, I had a show that I love that I did for four years that had a million downloads. It had awards. It was having great impact. There were some layoffs from our sponsor. And we lost our film crew. And all of a sudden in shock, it was canceled after four seasons. And so, I've had a summer of being an empty nester. And my show was canceled.

So, stewardship is also very helpful when it comes to business. Because if you start to pour yourself into your business, which as business owners we do, it's easy to go into outcome thinking, just like we do with our kids. And it's also easy to go into identity, just like we do with our kids where, all of a sudden, our business is who we are, right?

And so, I've really had to practice the principle of stewardship. Now listen, I've grieved the loss of my stewardship. I was very clear that my weekly show was a stewardship. It wasn't who I was. And it wasn't something I owned, but it was a stewardship that was having an impact in the world. So, I've given myself this summer to grieve the change in that stewardship.

The reason I say that is just because you learn this principle doesn't mean you don't slip into ownership. The way I wrote the book is I tried to take some well-known common stewardships and break the chapters down into that. So, it was doable to read. It's 68 pages. It's not overwhelming. It's for men, women, teenagers.

And the reason I did as I tried to share the most basic stewardships that affect all of us, our health, our relationships, our education, our profession, our parenting, and give it to the reader in a way that if they'd never heard of it, they would understand it.

And for those that had heard me talk about and wanted to take me to lunch and have me explain it more, it would give them even more of the meat, so they could apply it. And so, the chapters are written so that the end of each chapter has the stewardship voice and the ownership voice. And the reason I wrote it that way is because even though I've known this principle for over 10 years, I slip into ownership all day long.

So, I've just gotten good at training that voice or that feeling, that's me and ownership. I can choose back into stewardship. And when I do that, it expands. It gives me hope. It gives me options. When I'm in ownership, I'm in comparisons. I feel stopped. I feel stuck. I don't feel hope. I feel frustration. And whether that's a relationship, your health, or your business, that's all day long, I am choosing into stewardship.

And when we do that, I would just say, especially these last few months as I've gone through this grieving, some stewardships are fun. When we post about going to Hawaii, everyone's liking it, because it's a fun stewardship. But our family's gone through unemployment where we weren't going on vacations for years, right?

So, if I'm not careful, that unemployment compared to my neighbors trip to Hawaii, do you see right there? Why is God rewarding my neighbor with their third trip this year to Hawaii? And we can't even go to the dollar movie this week, right?

So, when you look at a stewardship, it's not that for me and my faith practice that God loves my neighbor more and I'm being punished. It's that, for me, God is trusting me with this unemployment. What am I going to do with this season of my life? How am I going to learn from it and add to it?

I watched my children go through these unemployments with us. And looking back, we've now had conversations that they're adults, they didn't see the lack. Now, that was probably because my husband and I were hustling in the background trying to make sure they had school clothes and got to the dentist and put tires on the car, right? They weren't having those adult worries.

But in their minds, it was dad was home more for a while. And it changed how they saw what they were going to do in the future. I have kids that are really grateful and willing to be okay not having some stuff. And I don't know how else they got there other than I think part of it was that they lived through some unemployment with us.

So, would I trade a trip to Hawaii for that lesson for my kids? We've now since been able to go to Hawaii. And when we went together as a family, it was like,we are the last people to maybe show up here. Everybody else has already been here 100 times, but it felt very sacred to be there with them because we knew what the last 10 years had been like.

So, that's just one example. I don't want to take away from the really hard stewardships that are painful. I can tell you I've lived through a lot of them. My list of difficult stewardships include infertility and job loss and chronic illness and suicide, death, and my parents' divorce, right?

But I've also learned through the gifts of I've two great kids and I'm grateful for my marriage that I fought for. And I'm grateful that I am able to be an author and a speaker for this season of my life. So, all of us are living the fruit salad, the good stuff and the hard stuff. And I don't know about you. I don't like watermelon in my fruit salad. But some people really love it.

And so, sometimes we judge each other's stewardships from the outside. They have the new car. They have the new house. They have all of the followers on social media. And over here, I'm living through this, this, this, this, and this. And it's so easy to fill in comparisons and get stuck in the story. When you can see your life through the life of a steward, it creates a hope. And it gives you an inspiration to how to pivot to be resilient to try to learn from that experience and ask for the support you need to get through it.

CAMILLE [29:04]

What are some first action steps for someone who's listening right now and maybe they're feeling like they are maybe stuck into comparison or maybe having that ownership and feeling resentment or feeling burdened, where they're just like, I don't even know what to do? What are some good first steps that someone listening could take? Aside from reading your book, which we will link to, absolutely. But what are some things that we could do right now, if we're stuck in a spot like that?

GANEL-LYN [29:36]

I can tell you this, my ownership voice gets really loud when I isolate. When my story is only my voice and I'm not checking in with the trusted women and men in my life that can call me out on stuff, then that voice, that narrative, that story gets so loud that it's all I can see.

So, the first thing I would say is check if you're isolating. Is there a way in which you can reach out and create some connection today with a trusted voice in your life? The reality is this, whatever you're going through that feels overwhelming and tragic, I promise you one day you're going to be the person someone reaches out to. I promise that.

One of my favorite stories comes the first time I heard it was on one of my favorite shows that I've binge watched 30 times every season. And it's West Wing. It's an old show. But it's that and Gilmore Girls, I am constantly watching those two shows.

CAMILLE [30:39]

Yes, I love Gilmore Girls.


So, if you have any audience members that are West Wing fans, so Leo McGarry has come from addiction. And he's talking to his friend, Josh, who's gone through some PTSD. And he tells him this story. And this is the story I love to share.

GANEL-LYN [30:54]

He said there was this guy one day walking along and he fell in a pit. And he was yelling out, "Help, help, help." And all of a sudden, his rabbi walked by and heard him yelling, "Help," and threw a scripture into the pit and kept walking. He kept yelling, "Help, help, help." And all of a sudden, his doctor walked by and threw a prescription into the pit, and then kept walking. So, this guy is still yelling, "Help, help help."

All of a sudden, his friend walks by. It makes me emotional wanting to tell this story. His friend jumped in the pit with him. And the guy said, "No, now we're both stuck in the pit. Why did you jump in?" And the friend said, "Yeah, but I've been in this pit before. And I know the way out."

The reality is we're sick from our isolation. And I can go there. And so, I'm so grateful for the friends in my life, my faith friends that have wrestled with some heavy stewardships. The last few months, I've been very intentional of watching my own isolation. I didn't have a kid I had to get up and make breakfast for. It would have been really easy to just stay in bed. My dog would have gotten annoyed. But my husband leaves early in the morning for work and comes home. And I work mainly from home. And there was a lot of gap on my calendar this summer. And so, I was pretty clear on the hours going by of who do I need to reach out to and text?

Now, listen, if you're in a stuck spot, you're going to think no one wants to hear your story. Everyone's busy. You're a burden. Those are some of the things that I want you to be aware of. That voice is the lie. And the reality is, okay, yeah, maybe your BFF is busy and going through a hard time, but pray and think of another name. I like to have a list of my five SOS friends, because the first three, I'll talk myself out of reaching to. So, you have five on that list, hopefully, so that you can go through the list and someone's available.

The next thing I'm going to say is therapy is paying for those SOS friends. That's the reality of hiring a coach or hiring a therapist. There's someone on the calendar that you pay that their job is literally to give you feedback and check the story in your head.

And then, I would say my last takeaway tool that's a super helpful one is your "no"s are just as powerful as your "yes"s. And whatever we say yes to, we're automatically saying no to some things. Check how many things you've been saying yes to. If you're hitting burnout, which you specifically mentioned burnout, so this is one of my favorite giveaways on burnout is start giving yourself permission to say no to something today and just see what happens.

See if your shoulders relax, go to your calendar and see, is there something you can cancel and reschedule and move, kick down the street a little, right? Sometimes we want to say yes to everything because we want those opportunities. And we want to have those conversations. And we want to keep expansion.

But if we're always about yes, we're saying no usually to our mental health, our physical health, connections with people we love. And so, this summer, as much as some of my "no"s were forced on me. I intentionally said no to some things because I knew this was a transition summer for me. And I needed to be really clear that I wasn't saying yes from pain. I needed to say yes from clarity, from healing, from intention. And I knew because I was traumatized and in grief, that if I said yes to anything over the summer, it would be coming from a different place, a hustle, some shame and some grief.

And so, I literally told some people in my life as an accountability, I will not be saying yes to anything until fall. Because I know me and I know I need to process some of this. And it would be too easy to numb it all right now with being busy.

So, those would be the two things. Find connection in the smallest ways or professionally, and then give yourself permission to say no so that there's some space and gap. That's the creation cycle. We rest every night so that we can get up the next day. That's what nature does so beautifully. As humans, we try to just keep working all night, right?

I'm watching right now the seasons of the geese flying south. And I think nature can teach us so much about diversity, about imperfection, about seasons, and about rest. And I don't love winter, but I've tried the last few years. Some cultures are really good at slowing down during the winter. Some other cultures are not. We're a 24/7, where there's always internet, there's always a light we can turn on now.

So, I hope that's helpful. Those are some of my top two tools is that I need sometimes to check the voice in my head. And I need to have people in my life that love me. And when I forget the song of my heart, they sing the words back to me. But those are also the friends that call me on my stuff. And they'll say, "I don't know where that's coming from. But that's not who I see. That's not what I see in you. That's not what you offer the world. That's not the impact I've watched you do." And I trust them because I also trust that they tell me the hard stuff.

CAMILLE [36:28]

Yeah. Wow. This has been so powerful. I know I've learned a lot listening. And I'm sure those who are listening right now are feeling the same way. Thank you so much for being on the show today for having me.

GANEL-LYN [36:40]

Thanks for having me.

CAMILLE [36:41]

Please let our audience know where they can connect with you and learn more from you.

GANEL-LYN [36:48]

I would love to connect. I love doing podcast interviews because I love hearing from a listener a week later or six months later. That's the power of a podcast, right? We never know when someone's going to hear it. So, you can DM me. I'm on all the platforms. I'm not super active on Twitter. It's a little angry for me out there. So I don't

CAMILLE [37:04]

You mean X now. I know Twitter's a little rough.

GANEL-LYN [37:09]

It's a little rough. But LinkedIn, Facebook, I have a professional page on Facebook. And so, if you can just find my name, it's the only reason why it's cool to have a weird name because Google knows who you're trying to find. But my website, www.ganellyn.com, no hyphen, no capital, has all the links to my social platforms and my YouTube channel.

And I think maybe your audience is probably the most on Instagram. And so, I'm there. And usually, it's easy to find because you just start typing "g-a-n" and all of a sudden, it comes up because it's just a unique name. But I would love to hear from people there. But wherever you feel comfortable with, there's ways to reach out even on my website. So, if you're not into socials and you just want to email and do a speaking request, there's a link on my website for that.

CAMILLE [37:59]

Perfect. Again, thank you so very much. It's been an absolute pleasure.

GANEL-LYN [38:04]

Thanks, Camille.


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