Being a Woman of Faith & Ambition with Jody Moore | Better Than Happy

JODY MOORE [0:00]

When somebody values something, they will pay money for it and that’s not wrong. And I feel like we’ve made money this moral thing. Whereas money isn’t a moral thing, it just is. It’s how we exchange value in the world.

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CAMILLE WALKER [0:25]

So, you want to make an impact. You’re thinking about starting a business sharing your voice. How do women do it that handle motherhood, family, and still chase after those dreams? We’ll listen each week as we dive into the stories of women who know. This is Call Me CEO.

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She’s a bestselling author and one of my favorite podcasts to listen to, Jody Moore is Better Than Happy is our guest today, where we’re going to be talking about how to be a woman of faith as well as a woman of ambition. You can have both and we’re going to be talking about best practices for overcoming fear and creating a life that you love without apologies. Let’s dive in.

Welcome back everyone to another episode of Call Me CEO. This is Camille Walker, your host, and I am thrilled today because we have Jody Moore on the show. You probably know her. She’s The Better Than Happy podcast and she is also an amazing woman leader in both life coaching and now in business too, which I’m super excited about. She has a new program called Business Minded. I actually just joined. And Jody, I just think you are such a beacon of light and positivity and so much hope and you give women so much strength all around the world. So, thank you so much for taking the time to be here today.

JODY [1:50]

That’s so sweet. Thanks for having me. I’m happy to be here.

CAMILLE [1:53]

Yeah, of course. So, tell us about yourself. Tell us about your family and how you got started into this coaching world. I know you shared more than I knew at your conference and I loved your story so much because I think so many of us listening to this right now can relate to wanting something more, but not exactly knowing how to find it. So, please tell us your story.

JODY [2:15]

Yeah, okay. I worked in corporate for the first seven or eight years of my marriage. I always wanted to be a mom and I thought I would be a stay-at-home mom. But as life went on, I actually enjoyed working more than I thought I would and it seemed like our family needed the income.

And so, I worked traditional route in corporate. I never wanted to be an entrepreneur until I got let go from my corporate job and things were transitioning. It was my husband was making pretty good money. It felt like, wait, maybe I don’t “need to work.” I was in still in the thick of having babies and everything at that point, but I felt really lost not working and really missed having something of my own to balance me out.

And at my last few years there at corporate, I had been a leadership coach. And so, I had been taught a little bit how to coach people in the setting of corporate and it is coaching sales managers and directors. And I fell in love so much with being a coach that I ended up going through The Life Coach School, not sure what I was doing, and that just felt like a next right move for me.

At that program that I went through at The Life Coach School, Brooke taught us just a tiny little bit about online business at the end. And something clicked in that honestly, it was maybe two hours, maybe three hours she talked about it. I saw how it worked and I got really excited about it.

And so, because my love of coaching was so strong and I will say too that I went through The Life Coach School, I realized these tools that I’ve learned for coaching in corporate are really awesome in corporate, but were helping me so much more in my personal life with being a mother, being a wife, and just a woman in the world. I was getting way more traction from them there.

So, I felt really called to help those women who were in the thick of raising kids, maybe members of my faith who I knew weren’t going to leadership trainings and seminars and getting all this great personal development. So, long story long, that’s how I got into coaching.

CAMILLE [4:42]

I love it because I think that you’re right. A lot of us who our ambition is to be a mother. We want to be moms, and then, for some of us, not everyone, because everyone’s different, but some of us, we’re like, gosh, I really want more to feel like I’m a full being or fulfillment of what it is that I have to share. And so, I love that you say that quote like, “I needed to. It was more of that I wanted to.”

And I think that it can be a huge leap of faith, especially for women of faith because we’re told, it’s one or the other and you have to choose. And I think that now more than ever because of online and working remote and starting your own business or even being out in an office somewhere, there’s so many more options. Have you found that to be true as well?

JODY [5:34]

Definitely. It’s a whole different world today. But I will say this too I think that it feels to a lot of women, I’m sure you experience this, that if I’m going to work whether that be starting a business or working for a company or what have you, my children might suffer. My family might suffer because obviously, that’s going to be some of my time and attention away. I had to come to terms with the fact that if I didn’t let myself fulfill some of my own needs by working, then my family’s going to suffer.

And so, either way, they’re going to suffer a little bit. Either I’m going to go crazy, and this isn’t true for everyone but like you said, for me and it sounds like for you, I was like, I’ve got to have something of my own that I’m working on that I focus on, that is just me, that gets my head on something else where I can be strategic and all of those things. So, if I don’t that, my mental emotional health is going to suffer. And if I do do it, I might have some time and energy from my family, they might suffer. So, either way, it’s not going to be a perfect life.

CAMILLE [6:45]

Someone’s suffering. Yeah, totally.

JODY [6:46]

Let’s just all agree. My kids aren’t going to have the easiest path as they’re probably not meant to. So, I don’t think there’s anything wrong. If you have a desire, you have an interest that is God-given, what are you going to do it? I don’t know. I’m not saying everyone should go start a business or get a job, but I don’t think that those desires are wrong and I don’t think that our kids are not meant to have to make sacrifices for our sake even. Just like we make a lot of sacrifices for them. I think that’s the way it’s meant to be honestly.

CAMILLE [7:24]

Yeah. I do too. And honestly a lot of times, I think that through the course of time, women have always been working hard, always. There’s never been a season of women working that I’m like, gosh, women, really, we’re just sitting around. No, never. Now, we have new conveniences of washing machines and dishwashers and different things like that. And whether a woman is working inside or outside of the home, children are seeing their mothers working hard. And I think that’s something we can all get behind.

JODY [7:52]

Yeah. Stay-at-home moms are working hard too. They’re just putting their time into different places. They’re at the school volunteering. They’re doing the laundry. We’re not still sitting by our kids going, “Is there anything else I can get you?” all day long. It’s okay. Your kids are going to be okay.

CAMILLE [8:09]

Yeah, I agree. And that’s what I mean working in the home hard like working in the home is hard. And in fact, I have a lot of friends who go to work outside of the home because they said, “Being at home all the time was really had for me. I really struggled.” And so, that’s where I think each of us just needs to find what that balance looks like for us.

And so, I love that you’ve been coaching women and offering these leadership moments, a time of reflection where they can look at their lives in a different perspective than perhaps, they would have had exposure to otherwise, which through your podcast and a pioneer in that space, that has been a huge part of the development of your business. Can you tell us about starting your podcast?

JODY [8:54]

Camille, no one’s ever called me a pioneer before. That’s so sweet.

CAMILLE [8:57]

You are.

JODY [9:00]

That’s so nice. Yeah, the way I was taught online marketing and this was eight years ago, but it hasn’t changed a whole lot is that you got to be putting out content and you just got to go serve and help the people that you feel called to help.

And don’t even worry in the beginning about how it’s going to work or how you’re going to make money. You just got to go help people and you got to make sure that people want the help that you’re trying to offer, that there really is a need for it out there and a need that, at some point, people would be willing to pay for.

And so, I started writing a blog because blogging, it's still a thing, but it was more popular I’d say back then. But writing takes me a lot longer. It’s not as natural for me. And so, I did that for a year, maybe a year and a half, and then podcasting was just growing at that time. I was starting to listen a couple podcasts.

And so, I made the switch more because it was easier and more natural for me to speak into a microphone than to write and try to get the grammar and everything dialed in. And so, honestly, I didn’t have a lot of listeners in the beginning. I remember for a long time hovering around 100 listeners per episode and I knew a lot of those were old family and friends and former coworkers. And just I knew a lot of them anyway weren’t even going to become clients. But I just kept going week after week.

And this is something my coach, Brooke Castillo, taught me. She’s like, “You have to picture your future self and you have to be her now.” So, I pictured the me that had thousands of listeners that were waiting every week for my podcast, just like some of the podcasts I was listening to. I was waiting. I knew every Thursday, The Life Coach School podcast would come out and I would wait for it.

So, I pictured myself as a podcaster that had a following, that had people waiting. She recorded and posted every week no matter what and she was confident that she could help people. And I just was her, even though I wasn’t her. And that’s how it works that eventually, now I am her. Now, I do have that, but I was an overnight eight-year success. So, it takes time and it takes being that person before you are actually her and that’s how the podcast came to be.

CAMILLE [11:39]

I love that. At what point in your podcasting were you like, “This is working out. I have put in the time where I’m starting to see a return in this time investment?”

JODY [11:53]

Yeah. I will say that a couple of turning points as I look back. First of all, I hired gentleman after I was about maybe 75 episodes in to help me. I was just doing it all myself in terms of what platform I was using and all the production and editing. And I had him help me legitimize it, get me in the right platform. I was just on Apple at first and he got me onto all the other platforms and just helped me set it up the right way finally after about 75 episodes.

And then, I remember he made a comment. He said, “Most podcasts don’t make it past episode 40.” And when he said, “Don’t make it,” what he meant was people quit. 40 episodes is a turning point. If you make it past 40, then you’re probably going to stay in it for whatever your goals are. So, I remember thinking, okay, I’ve almost doubled that. So, I must be doing something right.

Dr. Dr. Jennifer Finlayson-Fife was gracious enough to come on my show right around I want to say episode 62, somewhere in the low 60s, and she shared it with her audience. And that really gave me a significant bump. That’s when I went from 100 to 200 followers to maybe doubling within not very much time.

And then, things just kept growing from there. We get about half a million downloads a month now, but really, I’m so grateful to her for being willing to take the time to come on my little show, and then share it with her audience. And then, of course, I was getting clients from the podcast, which was always my intention was to serve people and to get clients and clients were coming in. So, I knew it was working.

CAMILLE [13:51]

That’s amazing. Thank you for being on my show. I feel like that’s this moment. You’re so great. So, I’m curious. One thing I saw you talking about the other day was this idea that when you have a service or you have a business or you have something nice to offer, but you’re afraid to show up and to sell the thing or to talk about the thing. And I feel like that’s such a common struggle for people that I am coaching or businesses I’m helping or just women individually. And I loved what you shared about the mindset of that and I would love for you to share that with us with the audience.

JODY [14:25]

Yes. This is a really fun shortcut that works so well. Sometimes, I’m afraid to go give a talk in front of people or, like you said, we’re afraid to post content or what have you. That type of fear anyway is an indicator that I’m focused on myself. So, I remember going and giving a talk to a youth group, like a youth conference they asked me to come and speak at, and being really nervous because youth are a tough crowd, I think. They don’t already love me going into it and I don’t consider myself to be the best at reaching youth.

So, I was nervous and I remember realizing, I’m thinking about myself again. I’m thinking about what are they going to think of me? Did they think I don’t know what I’m talking about? Are they going to listen? Whatever. How are they going to judge me? And when I realized that, I just shift my focus to them instead.

So, I just tell myself something like, what if there’s one maybe young lady in the audience who is going to take something away from what you say and it’s going to help her in some way? Then, is it worth it? Are you willing to be judged by all the rest of them if there’s one youth that goes home and something lands for her or the spirit reaches her or however you want to think about it?

If it makes a difference for one, okay, then I’m in. And so, as soon as I start thinking about them, if I’m putting out content, I think about my audience, the people I’m trying to help, somebody needs your help, can you get yourself out of the way and go help them? That is the fastest way out of fear for me is to stop thinking about myself and start thinking about the people I’m serving.

CAMILLE [16:12]

I love that thinking about the one. I actually just went to a high school reunion this week and I know of a lot of my friends who didn’t come because again, that fear of what are people going to think of me? Am I going to say the right thing? Is it going to be dumb? And I actually just talked about that on my stories yesterday saying, “If you’re thinking about them and how you can serve them or showing real genuine interest in them, then it flips the script on it’s not about you.” And that’s where I feel like true happiness is where you can turn outward and not be so critical of yourself.

JODY [16:49]

Yes. That’s such a good example too because we can go to the high school reunion or go to church or wherever we’re going thinking, are they going to be nice to me? Are they going to judge me? Are they going to acknowledge me or are they going to say the right thing to me?

You’ll always feel insecure and in fear. You can flip it, like you said, to who’s going to be at this high school reunion that’s feeling a little insecure that I can lift up a little bit, that I can make feel better, that I can acknowledge, that I can make feel seen and heard? Who at church today needs me to smile at them and ask how they’re doing? It’s so freeing when you just direct your brain that way and empowering. It’s so much more fun.

CAMILLE [17:26]

Yeah, I agree with that. What is one thing that you get asked about a lot with now that you’re speaking a little bit more to business entrepreneurs? What is a major hang-up that you are helping people through in the process? I know you speak a lot to life coaches in particular, but all businesses in general, what is a major hang-up that you help people through a lot?

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CAMILLE [17:51]

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JODY [18:56]

You hit it pretty on the head with the fear and the mom guilt. Those are big ones for a lot of people. The other thing I think people have a lot of noise around is sales and money. So, there’s a lot of like, how can I be charging this person for this? Especially, like you said, if I’m working with a coach, I know coaches who coach people who are grieving the loss of a loved one for example. And they’ll say, “How can I charge money for this person to help them through this grief process? It doesn’t feel like I should be charging.” And I always point that by that rationale, we should be charging the most if we’re harming someone on a scale down to free if it’s really helpful like there was a death in your family.

That makes no sense at all. Money is just the way we operate in the world. I love Grant Baldwin, who teaches speaking. He always says, “You don’t have to charge unless you want to eat and live indoors. You’re going to need to make some money.” And the truth is people will pay for what they value. And I’m not a fan of you taking advantage of anyone. I’m not a fan of even money being a higher priority than helping people. But when somebody values something, they will pay money for it and that’s not wrong.

And I feel like we’ve made money this moral thing. Whereas money is not a moral thing, it just is. It’s how we exchange value in the world. And I don’t know. I find that people need a lot of thought work and a lot of coaching around money, which leads into sales like how I was talking about too.

One of the reasons I’m so successful I think is because I’m so good at sales. I have lots of experience in sales and I’ve sold all kinds of things throughout my career in my life and I had trained sales people at one point. And I’m so clean in my head about sales. I don’t feel bad selling people on what I offer because I know I’m not selling me. And I’m not even selling my program. I’m selling you on yourself. And I will sell you hard on yourself if I think that I can help you achieve what you want to.

If I’m talking to let’s say a business owner, I’m not afraid to sell you hard on the fact that I know you can do this, that you have the potential, and that I can guide you. Let’s go. If I don’t think that’s true, I’m not going to sell you. But it goes back to what we were saying earlier that when you clean your head up around sales, you’re not selling yourself. You’re not selling your program. You’re selling your client.

People don’t believe they are capable of the change that they want to make. And so, it’s my job to coach you to see that you are capable of it. And if you don’t, that’s okay too. I love you just as much, whether you buy or not or whether you make the change or not. But I know you’re capable of it. Let’s go. So, anyway, that’s a fun area for me to coach on too.

CAMILLE [22:23]

Yes. I can see how that is so needed and it’s so fun that you quoted Grant Baldwin. I actually interviewed him today.

JODY [22:30]

You did?

CAMILLE [22:30]

Yeah. Two hours ago.

JODY [22:32]

Oh my goodness. What are the odds of that? That’s crazy.

CAMILLE [22:34]

I don’t know. But when you said him, I’m like, that’s so funny. Yeah, he’s awesome.

JODY [22:39]

Yeah. I know him, but I’ve just listened to his podcast off and on over the years and I really like him. He seems like a good guy.

CAMILLE [22:45]

Yeah. That’s awesome. I think that that idea of that selling someone on themselves like buying into themselves and believing in themselves, that is such a clever way of flipping the script because I think so often, we do, we get wrapped up in, but am I enough? Is this program enough? And is it going to give them enough value and all of those things?

Do you feel like there is a pathway to finding that confidence in helping someone else believe in themselves? I guess that’s where life coaching comes into sales and that’s something that you have in spades. You have the perfect trailblaze before you of how you worked hard to achieve that skill. So, if someone’s listening to that right now and thinking, “Okay, I want to feel more confident in helping someone to believe in themselves or to know that this product will help them,” what do you think some good tools are for finding that way?

JODY [23:42]

First of all, it’s just practice. It’s just go do it. Be bad at it at first. Go try to sell your stuff and know that it’s going to take some practice and some time. But the other thing that helped me a lot is I used to sell, I worked for the University of Phoenix, and so I sold college degree programs to adults who were working and had families and they wanted to get their degree. They weren’t going to be able to do it traditional school way.

And that’s a scary step because that’s a financial investment and a time investment. People are scared to take that step. So, I was constantly trying to sell them on themselves. And then, they would be in school anywhere from two to four years before they would graduate.

But after doing that job for a while, I had people at graduation come up to me and say, “Thank you for pushing me because I never would have started if you hadn’t gotten tough with me.” Sometimes, I have to get tough and say things like, “I know you think you’re working on getting your degree because you talk to me every month. You probably tell people, ‘Yeah, I have a counselor at the school. I’m going back to school.’” And I’d be like, “You’re not any closer until you get into class and start earning some credits.”

So, when you get people at the end come and say, “Thank you for telling me the truth, what I needed to hear. Thank you for pushing me.” I never had anybody say, “I wish I would have waited longer.” I only had people say, “I wish I would have started sooner.” So, when you experience that a few times and you realize like, okay, I am doing them a disservice by not telling them the truth, you have to keep your head in the right place.

It can’t be because I need a client. I need a customer. I need the money. We need to clean that up through coaching if that’s where your head is at. But if you’re genuinely like, “Listen. You’re going to regret this if you don’t get started now. You’re going to look back and go, I wish I would have done it sooner.” And when your head is in that place, you can say tough things to people out of love. And some of them still get offended, I won’t lie. But when you know you’re doing it for the right reason, I’m okay with it. I’m willing and that’s part of coaching too. My job is to tell people the truth. We don’t always want to hear the truth, but I’ll do it. I’ll be the bad guy.

CAMILLE [26:16]

No. I think that’s a perfect distinction of having your own mind right so that you’re like, “Yeah, this is something I know that’s going to help you or you’re ready or not.” And that’s something that you can ask those hard questions.

So, I’m going to flip this a little bit because we are talking about mothers of faith and also of ambition. What have been some of your tools for achieving success and keeping a balance in your home? Now, of course, this is a moving target. We all know. But what are some practices that you’ve employed in your own life to find a healthy balance for you?

JODY [26:51]

I choose my working hours very intentionally, I should say. And then, I stick to them. And that’s been important for me. Like I said, in the beginning, I said I want to work three days a week because I want to have two weekdays and the weekend, so four days when I’m just available to my kids and with my kids. This is when I had a couple in school and a couple at home.

And even those three days I worked, it was the hours that my older kids were in school because I wanted to still be with my kids. And now that all four of them are in school, I work more like a four-day work week, but again, the hours that they’re in school, from when I take them to the bus until when the littlest ones get home, and then I’m done working. And that’s just what I choose.

But here’s the thing. A lot of people say they’re going to work those hours. And then, when it’s time to work, they don’t feel like working. They get distracted with doing the dishes. They go to lunch with their girlfriends, whatever. And you can do any of that you want to, but I just recommend you choose it intentionally.

So, that’s why when I laughed and said four days, it’s because I decided over the summer I want to have Thursdays off. I want to have one day to just not have work scheduled. I might sneak some work in if I don’t have anything, but I want a free day. So, I choose it intentionally. That means when it’s a work day, I work. If my girlfriends call and say, “Can you go to yoga?” I look at my calendar and go, “Nope. I can’t. I work that day.” Just like if I had a job for a company.

So many entrepreneurs don’t honor their schedule. And if you don’t honor your schedule, you’re always going to feel like you’re behind at work. And then, if you’re working, you’re going to feel like you’re behind at home. But if you choose whether that’s one day, maybe it’s five hours a week, maybe it’s two hours a week, whatever it is, choose it, and then stick to what you’ve committed to. I honestly think that’s made the biggest difference for me in the work life balance.

CAMILLE [28:59]

Yeah. I love that. I think that that’s true of honoring your own set boundaries because if you’re not honoring them, who is going to? No one. No one knows what those are and can’t set them for you. So, I think that’s amazing advice. Are there any scheduling tools that you like to use or systems that you’ve implemented that you feel like have been a gamechanger for keeping your boundaries in check?

JODY [29:23]

Yeah. I have my own planner that we create. Did you join Business Minded? I can’t remember. Everyone in Business Minded gets it. And we don’t sell it outside of there. And it has been a gamechanger for me honestly because of the way it’s laid out. It aligns with how your brain works. So, I normally don’t put a lot of weight in something like a planner, but this one, that’s why I give it to everyone in Business Minded. It has been a gamechanger.

So, whatever the system is, whatever you like, I would say stick to it. I know some of my colleagues and fellow coaches and teachers and mentors schedule things down to the last minute in terms of their work day. Personally, that’s too much for me. I’ll start to feel claustrophobic and trapped and I’ll overanalyze my day. So, I schedule things like this podcast interviews, calls that I have to show up for at a certain time, and then I have my daily these are the three or four other things I need to get done today. And I just fit them in in-between the calls. That works really well for me.

But I do have my daily and weekly to-do list. And everything gets filled in. And anything that’s not going to fit goes to the next week. I feel like we have this ticker tape in our head as moms and entrepreneurs of all things that we haven’t done or that we’re behind on or that we should be doing or that we forgot about doing and that’s such an emotional and mental energy drain that that’s partly why we’re so exhausted and feel like we’re behind. So, having a place to capture it all is really a gamechanger because when I’m done working, I don’t think about working. I don’t think about, oh no, I forgot to do that thing because it’s all in my calendar. I know what day it’s going to get done.

CAMILLE [31:23]

Yeah. For me, I will usually plan out the week and take a good look at it on Sundays where I’m planning meals for the week and upcoming appointments and family obligations and different things like that. What do you like to do that for that?

JODY [31:40]

Yes. I do it Monday morning. When it was just me running my business, I called it my meeting with myself. And I would map out, like you said, my week. And now that I have a little bit of a team, I meet with my assistant every Monday morning and it’s already planned, but we’re just looking it over, filling in some to-do list items, making sure everything’s going to fit.

And so, it’s literally a meeting with yourself or maybe with one other person. Maybe it’s with your husband if it’s family things or with your kids. And I’ll tell you. I’m not a planner. I know some people are really good at planning and they love it. And that’s not me. But I’ve learned that if I do that once a week, it’s a gamechanger for the rest of my week.

CAMILLE [32:28]

Yeah. What do you think that your kids have learned from watching you build your business and grow your coaching online and in-person now?

JODY [32:38]

That’s a good question. I should ask them that. I don’t normally sit down and teach them formally the things that I teach as a coach, but they pick up on it. They hear me talking about it. They do know about thoughts creating feelings and stuff like that.

But as far as the business goes, I hope what I’m really trying to instill in them is an abundant mindset. I feel like so many of us were taught by well-meaning people scarcity mindset. You’ve got to work hard to make money. You’ve got to be careful with money. You’ve got to save your money. Money doesn’t grow on trees, things like this.

I coach, like I said before, so many people who are stuck in scarcity and it makes it really hard to serve and provide value in the world from scarcity. So, I say things to them all the time. They’ll go like, “That’s a lot of money.” And I’m like, “But yeah, money’s fun and easy to make.”

I’m the opposite of most parents honestly. I just took my daughter shopping yesterday for some back-to-school clothes and there were these pair of pants. And I’m like, “Those pants are so cute. They’d be so cute on you. You’ve got to try them on.” And she was like, “Mom, they’re really expensive.” And I was like, “It’s okay. You know what? Sometimes, we just buy something expensive just for fun.” I’m not spoiling them or careless with money, but I’m like, “This is only money. We’ll just make some more of it.”

And I’m trying to show them. And they do know, I try to keep their perspective like, “You guys realize how blessed we are and how fortunate we are and that dad and I have worked hard for this money, but we’ve also been guided and we live a different life than most people and that’s available to people too. And we want to help more people.” So, I’m trying to teach them abundance along with generosity and gratitude. And I don’t know, Camille, if they’re getting that out of it, but I hope so.

CAMILLE [34:52]

I would think so. I love that perspective. I think that that’s true. I think that people are teaching scarcity out of love, but not realizing that it’s creating this monster of, oh no, a panic of, I have to do everything right with money and there’s not enough of it. And that’s not good for anyone.

JODY [35:14]

Right. And that’s not even true. There’s plenty of money. Every dollar bill that you or I have can be exchanged to someone else for something of value that they have. And then, they can exchange it again. And then, that person can exchange it. An infinite number of times that dollar bill can trade hands. That means there’s plenty of money in the world for everyone. If you create something of value, someone will trade their dollar bill. And then, you’ll have dollar bills that you can trade to someone else. And it’s an endless cycle. There’s way more than enough money.

CAMILLE [35:52]

I really like that. I think that that’s something we need to hear more of. That’s definitely something that can be a hang-up, especially the times that we’re going through right now with gas prices going so high and the market especially in real estate and everything else. I think that in media, we are always hearing that scarcity mindset and not the opposite. So, that’s why choosing to have other influences like your podcast is so important because I think that that will lead to our own way of thinking and our own success.

JODY [36:27]

That’s right. We have to counter. There’s so much scarcity and fear messaging and I’m just trying to counter that just a little bit. And I’m not suggesting that we bury our heads in the sand. And again, we’re not good stewards of our money and that we don’t pay attention to the market or whatever. I just don’t see an upside to the fear and worry and scarcity around it.

Because in the end, let’s talk about the real estate market, okay. So, housing prices are really high and whatever, okay. But I’m one person. If I’m trying to buy hundreds of houses and that’s my business strategy, then maybe that’s going to impact me. But I’m one person maybe going to buy one house. Maybe sell one house. And even in a crazy market, I just need the right buyer at the right time or the right house in the right location. I just need one. It’s so doable. And even in a really level market, I can find the right house or not.

So, you’ve got to be careful about news is giving us overall global context and thinking that it applies to your individual life. It doesn’t. it’s like when I was single and dating. There are no good guys around here. I just need one. There’s probably one. You know what I mean? It’s like you’ve got to be careful about what you’re consuming, the news and stuff like that. Because when you move into scarcity and fear, it never has an upside. It really doesn’t.

CAMILLE [38:10]

I love that. One thing that I’ve noticed that you are exceptional at is creating community and a sense of belonging among people of varying beliefs and approaches to life and age. What do you think has been a tool in being able to achieve that?

JODY [38:28]

That’s so nice of you to say. I don’t consider myself exceptional at that, but I’ll take it. I think that I’m very openminded. I really am. I’m pretty comfortable around people with different values than me, different religions, different world vies. I have my limits, of course, but I’m very open.

The Life Coach School where I was trained, I remember the training I went to, it was an in-person training, there were only 20 of us in a classroom for five days with Brooke Castillo. And someone started using the f word on the first day and everybody loved it. And so, then it just fueled to where it was like every other word was the f word to the point where you’re like, “Is that really necessary?”

And I don’t love that. That’s not really the way I talk and the way I live, but I can sift through that and find all the value that was still there and it was still the most amazing experience and all the amazing tools and everything. I’m pretty good at filtering out whatever I don’t want and taking what I do want. So, I think that when I’m able to do that, maybe it just paves the way for other people to see how to do that.

And I just think we have to be less all or nothing about our thinking and less judgmental that our way is the right way and the best way. And it’s one thing if you feel that you’re easily influenced or it’s going to bring you down, then I’m all for you not subjecting yourself to something like that. But I think I’m mentally pretty strong. And so, I’m able to be solid in who I am and what I believe. And so, I’m not afraid to learn from people that have different beliefs. Like I said, take what I want and leave what I don’t.

CAMILLE [40:26]

Yeah. What is your process as a woman of faith for making decisions moving forward, whether it’s something with your family or with your business or something personal? What is the process that you typically go through with finding what choice is the right one for you?

JODY [40:43]

I love this question. I don’t believe there is a right choice in most cases. So, it makes it a lot easier to make the decision. I don’t think there’s a right choice or a wrong choice in most cases. I think there’s just whatever choice I make is going to have pros and cons. It’s going to have some benefits I didn’t even expect and some challenges I could never foresee. So, I’m going to make the choice that feels the easiest or the most fun.

And it might be wrong. I might get partway into it and realize that other choice would have been easier or more fun, but I know I can’t possibly know that. I can’t know any more than I know. And I’ll ask a few questions. I’ll do a little bit of research, but in the end, the choice that we’re talking about, which business? Do I start a business or not? How much do I charge? Do I put my kids in this school or that school? Those are the things that I’m talking about. There’s not a right choice or a wrong choice. There’s just the choice you’re going to make.

So, what I’m very clear on is that the choice itself doesn’t create my result. I always create my result. So, the choice is just the circumstance. Make the choice that feels like the circumstance is easiest for me to create the result I want, but ultimately, I’m responsible for my result.

And that is what I teach as a coach and what I know so well that I make very fast decisions and I get my own back with my own decisions. And I make the decision work as best I can. And so, decisions are really easy. And that is one reason I again have been successful because I don’t slow myself down in indecision. Should I launch this program or that program? I don’t know. Let’s think through it for a minute. Okay. We’re launching this one. Let’s go. And I don’t second guess it. And then, I go, how do we make it work? Does that make sense?

CAMILLE [42:55]

Yeah, it does. I heard someone say once that perfection is just procrastination dressed up or something where it’s like, yeah, we get stuck in the minutia or in the research piece of making that next step. And so, putting it through the filter of is this fun or is this easy makes me think are you an Enneagram 7 first? And I think that that makes a lot of sense too, especially if it’s something where either case would have pros and cons, what is there to lose by moving forward? So, I think that that’s a really good way to look at it.

JODY [43:32]

Yeah. Because it’s not going to work. That’s what people will say, “Is your program going to work for me?” And I say, “No, it’s not going to work for you. You’re either going to make it work or not work. And no offense either way, I love you either way.”

But some people will go through my business program, for example, and they'll make it work for them and they’ll have amazing success. And some people won’t. It just won’t be the right timing or you just won’t be able to get yourself to do it or whatever. My program, there’s no secret program. There’s no perfect workout or diet or whatever. I keep trying. There isn’t one, either I’m going to make it work or I’m not.

So, when you know that, you don’t have to research a program to death. You don’t have to research a diet to death. Any diet out there will work. Any business program where you’ve had a handful of people try it and it worked, it will work. The question is, am I going to show up and work it or not? So, then, I don’t need to research it to death.

There’s no perfect one. There’s always going to be something that I wish was a little different. I’m like this with software we use in our business, for example. I’m like, no, we’re going to do a little bit of research, a reasonable amount, and then we’re just going to pick one and go because there’s no perfect one. You know what I’m saying?

CAMILLE [44:50]

Yeah. Wow, I feel like we have been so richly fed today. You are obviously a wealth of knowledge. I could sit here and ask you questions all day long, but tell our audience where they can find you online to have resources to your podcast, your book, which I love the story of your book. You can do a little snapshot of that if you want to and then also online.

JODY [45:12]

Thank you so much, yeah. My podcast and my book are both called Better Than Happy. So, if you like podcasts or the book has a little bit more of a faith-based approach to it, if you like, and they’re both anywhere, you can go to Amazon to get the book or podcasts are everywhere. And then, my website www.jodymoore.com has a lot of resources, if you want some free tools to help you either with the life coaching piece or the business piece. We’ve got lots there at www.jodymoore.com.

CAMILLE [45:46]

Amazing. Thank you so much for being on the show today. It’s been a pleasure.

JODY [45:50]

Yes. Thanks for having me, Camille. It’s been very fun.

CAMILLE [45:51]

You’re welcome.

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