208: Uncovering Inner Beauty and Empowerment with Pualei Lynn

Pualei: 0:00

And I think that we all have our spirit to attune to specific things that make us feel feminine, that make us feel beautiful and that lock us into that part of our essence and when we don't take care of that, we diminish that part of ourselves, we diminish that part of our essence and our light that wants to be seen, that wants to be a part of us and should be a part of us. We're a full person, we're a whole woman.

Camille: 0:32

So you want to make an impact. You're thinking about starting a business, sharing your voice. How do women do it that handle motherhood, family and still chase after those dreams? We'll listen each week as we dive into the stories of women who know. This is Call Me CEO. Growing up in Hawaii, it's a beautiful place and, gosh, I'd love to live there. My next guest, Pualei, is a native of Hawaii and grew up loving beauty, everything, fashion, design and went through a journey of what it looks like to really look at the internal beauty that she had all along and discover who she is and giving that gift to other people in exchange.

Camille: 1:16

Check out this week's episode. Welcome back everyone to Call Me CEO. This is your host, Camille Walker, and today we are speaking with a dear friend, Pualei Lynn, who is an activist for women and she's a stylist and fashion consultant. She has a boutique and she also is very involved with nonprofit organizations and really pushing forward with women in Utah. Leadership and also the voice that we carry, and today we're going to be talking about the beauty that each of us has within us and, Pualei, thank you so much for being with us today. Thank you.

Pualei: 1:52

Thank you so much for having me. I just you're incredible, so I'm very grateful to be here.

Camille: 1:59

Well, I likewise girl. We've just been talking about a lot of places that and passions that we have that crossover, and I love how multifaceted your approach to seeking beauty within each of us, especially as women, and what that has meant for you. And please tell our audience let's dig way back when were you born? Tell us about your childhood a little bit. How did you end up in Utah? Tell us about your childhood a little bit.

Pualei: 2:27

How did you end up in Utah? Tell us everything. So I grew up in Hawaii, on the island of Oahu, very small, very close to the beach town. Beautiful upbringing, I loved it. I've always, looking back now realized that I've always loved beauty, been attracted to beauty, always have loved fashion. You know, from when I was 10 years old I would use my babysitting money to go and buy Vogue magazine or Elle magazine back then and and I truly, from when I was young, didn't feel that I was beautiful. I did not fit the mold of the women and models that I saw in magazines then.

Camille: 3:04

And so it was crazy to me, because if you're watching this video, you see that she is very beautiful. And I'm curious in Hawaii, were your parents thinking, oh, why is this girl picking up Boga magazine? Like was that something they supported? Or like what was that dynamic like?

Pualei: 3:19

That's such an interesting question. I'm glad you asked me that. My mother actually was not, not, um, she did not approve of of those types of magazines. She did not approve of fashion. Uh, she was very conservative and so that was actually a concern for her with me. Is that I was so into fashion? I was not as conservative as her. I loved beauty. I just I loved it. I loved to see the women dressed up and in fact, my mother was an amazing seamstress and I loved to look at her and her outfits from when she was young, because she would take the time to dress up and take care of herself, and my mother always did in her way, but she also had eight children, so she found ways to be very quick about it.

Camille: 4:08

Yeah. As you would, as you would with eight kids, oh my gosh, yeah, she had eight children.

Pualei: 4:13

She was also a math professor at the college in the town where we lived, so she was very, very busy and I loved looking back and I think that honestly, I I believe that she really did have this as part of her. I think a lot of it I got from her, but I think she chose, when she chose to become a mom and have kids, she sort of chose to give that part of herself up and I know that it affected her. It affected her radiance, and radiance is something that only women have. It's a purely feminine trait, and doing things like taking care of our beauty, acknowledging our beauty because, like I said, it's intrinsic in each of us. You know, all women are beautiful. It goes without question or without seeing, and we are just inherently beautiful by virtue of the nature that we exist and that we're here as women in this world.

Pualei: 5:08

And so yeah, and I think that we all have our spirit to attune to specific things that make us feel feminine, that make us feel beautiful and that lock us into that part of our essence. And when we don't take care of that, we diminish that part of ourselves, we diminish that part of our essence and our light that wants to be seen, that wants to diminish that part of ourselves. We diminish that part of our essence and our light that wants to be seen, that wants to be a part of us and should be a part of us. We're a full person, we're a whole woman, you know, and so much of us deny that part of ourselves.

Camille: 5:40

And so it's just really I'm interested to hear. So of one of eight. What? Where did you line up in the eight? I was the third. Okay, so you were the third. How many brothers, sisters?

Pualei: 5:51

So two sisters and five brothers, okay.

Camille: 5:55

Okay, okay, okay. So I'm starting to get a little snapshot here because, growing up in a family with a lot of brothers, I would imagine and very much like the world, I think about the commercial where it's like show me what it looks like to run like a girl. Do you remember that ad that came out and people kind of did this week run and then they, and then in the end they show these incredible athletes doing amazing things that are women. And I wonder for you, growing up with a family predominantly that was male, do you feel like that maybe was a message to you of having to hide your femininity, or was it something that they embraced and celebrated your femininity?

Pualei: 6:36

Oh no, it definitely was not embraced. In my home, femininity was almost viewed, because of my religious background, as something that was almost shameful, that should not be cultivated. You know that we, um, the feminine form should not be accentuated, it should be covered up and, and it's so diminishing to the woman's soul. Yeah, how did that affect you that? Yeah, that message, it really affected me. I'm also an aries, so I'm very rebellious and I'm very much, um, I'm very much uh, will do my own.

Speaker 3: 7:26

Thing.

Camille: 7:26

She's going, she's getting her drug magazine and your mom's like, oh, what is happening?

Pualei: 7:32

Yeah, she didn't approve. I actually had to hide, hide them, and really I had to hide that part of myself in many ways and and it was still really a lot of religious deconditioning and really working through those layers and working with God, being attuned to God Because God is a big part of my life, my relationship with God in Christ, and so really really meditate, spending time meditation and talking with God about these things and who I am and and feeling like, no, these parts of myself aren't shameful, they're, they're beautiful, they're meant to be celebrated and not just me and all women, you know, and and God created us as beautiful creatures. You know, and I talked with this with last week in another in in my podcast with Jesse about how men would not want to be here if women were not here.

Camille: 8:37

Being straight, they would not. They really wouldn't Most of them anyway. Well, that's interesting. So I know that you spent some time modeling as a young woman. Tell me about that transition of leaving the conservative home, hiding your magazines and then eventually going into modeling. How did you transition into that, and were your parents involved or aware, or how did that go?

Pualei: 9:01

Yeah, so I actually had a friend growing up in our neighborhood who approached my parents about getting me into modeling when I was younger, and they did not approve, and so when I was 18, I started. Cause, like I said, I'm an Aries, so I was waiting until I could and, and so I did. I started working a runway, actually for a local designer. His name was David Tautu. I still remember his name and, um, he was incredible designer and I enjoyed that. I loved it and, um, I it really. After a time, though, I found it wasn't for me and I learned why my parents really didn't want me involved in that industry from such young age.

Pualei: 9:48

And what made you think it wasn't for you it just um, it just was very externally based and, uh, I just it didn't my my being, in my spirit didn't love being in those environments.

Camille: 10:08

Yeah Well, I would imagine, cause you're very it's very much a judgment of your outside. You're outside of you, which is a lot of pressure for sure.

Pualei: 10:17

Yeah, a lot of pressure and just it just wasn't for me and I think it's an incredible, incredible industry and career for some, some women. It just wasn't for me and and I realized, you know, pretty soon afterwards I really didn't spend much time working as a model, um into my early twenties and then I I stopped and um, and I understand now why my parents didn't want me involved in that at such a young age and I'm very grateful.

Camille: 10:50

Yeah, so I mean it's I can see, especially if a parent isn't involved, and you're put into. It's just like the child actors that we see, or young musicians or models. You're subject and exposed to so many adult things very quickly. That can really be traumatizing. I mean there's so many different scenarios of that, but so it sounds like you didn't stick around long. What did you move on to next?

Pualei: 11:17

So I luckily had parents who always told us that we were going to go to college. It was not an option, and so I'm very grateful I finished my degree, got married pretty young and went to dental school with my ex-husband. At that point I had two girls, a three and a half year old and a newborn, and a year later I found myself back home in Hawaii going through my first divorce as a young mom with two young girls and so um, and that with anyone who's been through divorce it's devastating under any circumstances and and um, the reasons for that divorce really were devastating and really left me questioning my worth and who I was.

Pualei: 12:09

And I think I was very blessed to have a connection to God Definitely not as deep or as close, I feel like, as the one that I have now but he helped me to see that it had nothing to do with me, that what had happened you know the circumstances that brought us to that point had nothing to do with me, that it was about my ex-husband, and I think that helped me not to fully take all of the blame for the circumstances on myself and to be able to maintain that sense of who I was and that self-worth piece. I still question so much about being good enough, about my appearance, about all of those things, about being good enough, about my appearance, about, you know, all of those things. But I think having that connection to God I think really really really helped me with staying true to who I was and not completely just spiraling. And it was, you know, not that it wasn't difficult, and I'm grateful in so many ways because that was my first experience with therapy, you know how long were you married to?

Pualei: 13:32

my first husband. We were married for five years, so okay, wasn't yeah super long marriage. How old were you when you got married? I was 23 okay when I got divorced.

Camille: 13:45

So young mom, two baby girls living back with your family, and how did you make those steps of moving forward to your next adventure? What gave you the ability to do that? What ?

Pualei: 14:08

Honestly, that was my connection to God. So much of my confidence came from God, from the faith and believing that God is directing my life and my life is in his hands. It's to serve God and so and I'd had experiences through my divorce, through, you know we'd moved away for school and then I'd moved back to Hawaii with my girls through the direction of God, you know, at that perfect timing and so actually seemed very random when I felt the direction from God to move to Utah. I did not want to move to Utah, I did not hey, it would be hard to move to Utah from Hawaii.

Pualei: 14:50

Oh my gosh, I was not happy with that direction. My girls were doing well, they were thriving, and I didn't understand. But it was very direct even after arguing a bit. And. But it was very direct even after arguing a bit and I had learned from experiences in the past to listen and to be obedient when I received that direction, Because I gained that confidence and trust in God and that faith. And so when I was directed to move to Utah in 2007, I took a few months and I sold a bunch of things, shipped my car over, you know, took my girls and and moved and it was scary. But here I am.

Camille: 15:37

Yeah, I mean, we here we are in 2024. Looking back to 2007. What do you think was the purpose for you being in Utah?

Pualei: 15:50

I know now it, it, it has been to help and serve women and uh, yeah, I know that that's why I'm here, and uh, uh, it really is. This is where I know I would not be able to make the impact at home in Hawaii that I'm making here.

Camille: 16:10

And well, let's unpack that. So you get here in 2007, and how ?

Camille: 16:16

up where you are now.

Pualei: 16:18

Yeah, so I met my second husband a month after I moved here through. One of my best friends actually one of my college roommates introduced us and was married for 10 years. We have a blended family and so I had two girls, he had two boys and we had all four kids full time. So I got to raise my step sons and they're so beautiful, my kids are so amazing.

Camille: 16:45

I get emotional how old were they when you became their mom?

Pualei: 16:54

o my boys were oh sorry, don't expect this to come up yeah, uh 22 and 18, and my girls are 24 and 21 and my boys were uh two and five. Two and five when I got to become, when I became their mom so you really did, you saw them through.

Camille: 17:24

Yeah, all of those growing up here close.

Pualei: 17:28

Yeah, I'm very grateful. Yeah, like our kids are. You know, I'm divorced now three years after that marriage. Um, we were married for 10 years and, uh, my kids are just, they're so amazing and they're all still very close and just the sweetest kids that's not easy to do, to come into that situation and have your children and family unit staying tucked like that.

Camille: 18:00

So that's incredible work that you and your ex-husband did together to bring a family together and feel like a unit like that.

Pualei: 18:06

Well, thank you yeah thank you the kids, yes, they're wonderful. So it's yeah, and so that ended in actually 2000. Wow, I guess it's been way longer. Oh, my goodness, time goes by so fast. Yeah, so I, I opened my store in 2018, the um summer of 2018, Eden and Kay the boutique. Yeah, Eden, Kay, yep.

Pualei: 18:36

Eden Kay and then I didn't realize it was going to become an event space and um, and it has that's another story and uh, and then went through my second divorce in 2019. 2018 was, um, starting my first year business separated. Um, that was the beginning of, of the end of this, my second marriage. And then the divorce was final in 2019 and uh, and now here we are and it really it really wasn't until after my second divorce that I feel like I really began to do that internal work. You know it was. It was kind of like, okay, this is the second divorce, the common denominator is me, so I really need to take accountability and figure this out, you know, and so, um, it's been that desire, you know, to be out of pain. They say that a lot of times they get pushed to this work either. We're in so much pain. Unfortunately, me being rebellious, I couldn't be brought to it easily. I guess I had to learn in different ways, through a lot of pain and suffering, to seek after these, this work, and but I'm so grateful for it, you know, because it really was, um, just seeking and asking God to lead me and teach me, and and I believe it was God who led me to those things like neuroscience and learning about my brain, because it was the process of. You know, help me learn. What do I need to learn from this? You know, help me to see myself clearly so that I can improve, so that this doesn't happen again. You know, what are the things that I need to clean up, that I need to figure out for myself, and and. So much of of understanding and seeing our beauty is going into that shadow, into that ugly, into the hard, the painful parts that we don't want to look at, that we don't want to acknowledge and recognize and integrate and and but. That's the only way to become whole, you know, and so it was really a process of I feel like for me really being led by God, deepening that connection, and that I've always relied on and and just really asking God to show me and guide me and teach me.

Pualei: 21:06

You know, after my divorce, I didn't have a lot of resources to invest in a business coach, in a life coach, and you know, it was like I'm just starting this business, my marriage is done. My whole family was actually like what are you doing? You have a degree. My whole family was actually like what are you doing? You have a degree. Why are you putting everything into this? You just go get a job. You know, which is great if your motivation's money go get a job, but that's not my motivation. Yeah, oh and so, um, it has been a process and I'm grateful for my family. They, they're incredible. They've been an incredible support, even despite thinking I'm crazy for for trying to build businesses that I have and for working to create what I, what I am. But and that's okay, you know, that's just been part of my process. It's good for me to learn and grow. It's pushed me to myself more and more, which is what needed to happen.

Camille: 22:13

Yeah, I think a lot of times we're called to something that we have struggled with or that we want to advocate for, because we we identify and we can see ourselves in other people, and so I think that that's really awesome, that, with where you're saying, you help hold up the mirror of a person's divine beauty, that it comes from within and that it's not something that has to be earned, it's something that we're born with, and so, with people you have coached doing that kind of work, what has been the most rewarding or eyeopening thing that you've seen some of your clients go through?

Pualei: 22:54

Oh, that's so beautiful Thank you for saying that and pointing that out that it's. It doesn't have to be earned, that we already are, and it's just recognizing and uh, and so I think the biggest breakthrough that I start to see for women is giving themselves permission to look at themselves and think of themselves in this way. They've never given themselves permission to think they are beautiful, to begin to recognize and acknowledge the virtues within themselves that are beautiful. They don't even recognize them, they don't take the time, they don't even think that they're allowed to, or that they should, or that it's necessary, in fact, for who we are. They just don't think that it's. It's frivolous, right? It's vain.

Pualei: 23:47

Like we talked about earlier, beauty is not seen as a spiritual path, it's seen as vanity, it's seen as external, it's seen as worldly, which it's not, because it's such a part of our feminine nature, it's such a part of who we are, and bringing that feminine beauty out, that feminine, it's part of our power. But we, just we don't believe it. And we, the thing is, we're so quick, we attune ourselves to everyone else's beauty, we recognize it and see it in everyone else, you know, or we'll point things out, but the thing is we. We can see so much more in others when we take the time to see nurse and ourselves. And it truly is true you cannot give to others, you cannot, cannot be authentic, what you don't have for yourself. You can't, it's not possible. And the more that you cultivate something in yourself, the more that you see in yourself, the more you get to enjoy and see in others.

Camille: 24:47

Yes, I believe this 100%. I feel like this is something where okay, I'm a big Taylor Swift fan If any of you have been listening to the Tortured Poets Department, there is a lot of lyrics in there about beauty is okay. There's a song called Claribo and in that song, she talks about how, through decades of time, women are appreciated for their beauty but almost like they're handpicked as a rose that wilts, that you have this internal clock that is ticking, that you have this internal clock that is ticking. And she says something like beauty is a roar on all fours until it's over, like it's you hit this perfect light and then it's done.

Camille: 25:34

And I think that it's such a terrible reality, especially in media, where she, you know, is this major pop star and has to deal with all the criticism that gosh that my favorite people I've ever met are those who you can see so much light within them and they give compliments so genuinely and so freely, because you can see that they feel that way about themselves.

Camille: 25:59

And if there is one gift I could give to my daughter, it would be for her to recognize and know how beautiful and incredible she is intrinsically and outward too. I think there's just so many unique capabilities and possibilities for all women. And so it's gosh. She's in junior high right now and I just look at her and I know we've all been there Like that's the worst age about, where you know you kind of lose that that school age innocence and you start to look at the mirror and wonder about your unique features and wonder if you measure up and that with the age of social media, like there's just so much. So the work that you're doing and helping women to recognize that they are beautiful and there's nothing else that they need or gain to be that way is really impactful.

Pualei: 26:54

Yeah, yeah, they, they, it's. It's like a flower. You know, we don't, we don't assume ever the flower is not pretty or beautiful. No matter the variety of flower flowers are here, they bring beauty. That is the same with women, all different varieties beautiful, without saying it's undeniable. And so just recognizing that, knowing that, own that and it makes such a difference for women, you know, and we don't, we just, sorry, I know, I say you know so much, I'm trying to break that up, but I noticed it in another interview but we just and what can it hurt? We get to choose how we want to think.

Pualei: 27:50

Yeah Is literally everyone, everything's energy, everyone, universe, everything is simply responding to who we believe we are and what we're telling the universe about who we are. It's so internal and it takes it's so much work because so much of our self talk is not where it needs to be, it's not truthful, it's actually false, and so that's what really building true intrinsic beauty is. It's getting back to truth, the truth of who you are, the truth of your being, and learning how to think of yourself in correct ways is your divine self, truthfully, and it's not a vain thing. When a woman takes care of herself, she's done. She is not thinking about herself anymore, she's pouring out to the world.

Pualei: 28:48

One of the biggest compliments I think someone gave me. She was an employee of a client and she said you know she's talking about my client. She said she meets with a lot of different women, from all different you know very high profile women that she meets and that we meet. And she said there's a difference between you and the others. She said the others, when they're around her with us, treat us one way, and when they just speak to us, they treat us as the help. Now, and she said you treat everyone the same. There's no change in how you speak to us, no matter who you're with. And she said and you're always so present, I feel like you're present with me and that was the hugest compliment for me and and and, and I think the reason I'm able to do that is because I take care of myself first.

Pualei: 29:42

I, I take care of myself, my appearance, in these ways so that I feel my radiance. So when I'm with others, I'm not thinking about myself at all, it's not about me, it's about them, and I can be present and I can be pouring from a full cup because I've taken care of myself and I have that now to give.

Camille: 30:00

I love that. That's really beautiful, and I'd be curious to hear what is, what are those ways that you're pouring into yourself so that you have that ability to give to others?

Pualei: 30:10

Yeah, so it starts with you know how we think, so how I see myself. It started with how I see myself and I remember it was a process of going through and instead of reversing and a lot of the times you go through the list we look in the mirror and go all these things that I don't like, that I want to change and reversing that to what I love about my physical appearance. Reversing that to oh, so-and-so said I was charming. Like, how am I charming? You know, learning to read actually fully receive compliments and understand them and and internalize them.

Pualei: 30:47

We internalize the criticism so quickly they mean comments so quickly and so easily, but we don't internalize compliments. Oftentimes we brush them off. You know, and it was listening to what God was telling me about myself before. Maybe I couldn't believe it about myself first, you know. So asking God and going to different things and thinking about what other people had told me and then looking at, recognizing oh, my goodness, you know, I am kind. You know how am I kind I am, you know, and then being like, well, I want to be more kind. How do I become more kind? How do I become more lovely? How do I become more tranquil? You know, how do I? And how am I exquisite? Who doesn't want to be exquisite? So what does that mean to you? How do you become more exquisite? You know, and so just, and we think that it's vain to think this way. But it's not. It can only benefit you and everyone else to know this about yourself yeah, that's beautiful.

Camille: 31:53

What do you think if you could tell your younger self, that young girl living in Hawaii getting those Vogue magazines, looking at the images of people she didn't think she looked like as beautiful? What would be the message that you would give to that little girl?

Pualei: 32:09

I would tell her to stop looking at everyone else, that there's nothing outside of her that can tell her she's beautiful or tell her who she is. I would tell her to look at herself and to cultivate herself from the inside out. You know who she truly is, and I'm so grateful to my parents because I know that that's what they focused on in their children and in me Was our inner selves and our inner beauty, and I think that's I'm grateful. They didn't focus on the external as much. You know now that I see what they were trying to teach us and what they were trying to teach me, um, and I would tell her that she's so beautiful and unique. That uniqueness is beauty, you know, I think then I wanted to be blonde haired, blue eyed. You know I didn't want to look anything like me, which is so sad, you know, and there's so many girls out there who who are the same way, who who don't want to be who they are.

Camille: 33:21

So, and what would you say to your mom and I don't know if maybe you have had this conversation, but looking back, and maybe now that you're a mother and you've been through this journey, what do you think you would say to her?

Pualei: 33:35

Oh, I love her and I see her and I recognize how she sacrificed herself for her kids and I'm grateful, but also that that she didn't need to, that I wish that she would have embraced all of herself, because it would have served her and all of us in profound ways if she had allowed herself, if she, if she lived fully as her full self and never, never, felt that she had to disregard parts of herself or suppress parts of herself, cause I know that was a part of her and I know that she loved it. You know, cause when she was younger, she she did, and I think that she. It was a trade-off for her and it doesn't have to be a trade-off. It never should be. That's not how it's meant to be. We're meant to pour from a full cup and and it's it's, it is how we're meant to exist in joy and living as our fullest selves. And so, yeah, oh, I love that Well that sounds.

Camille: 34:43

I mean gosh. That's a journey that is so profound and internal. I can tell you've done so much work with that and you're helping so many others to do the same, so thank you for sharing that message. And one question I've been asking all of our guests is a motherhood moment you would like to share? And also, what are you reading, watching or listening to?

Pualei: 35:10

Okay to share, and also, what are you reading, watching or listening to? Okay, so a motherhood moment I would like to share? Um, my kids are older and so any opportunity that I get to serve them I I look for and um, so I had a beautiful moment just on Saturday. I brought my oldest lunch and luckily she was doing my younger daughter's hair so fun. I got to see both of them at the same time on the way to an event. I dropped off lunch to them and just got to give them a hug and tell them I love them. So that was my last motherhood moment I got to experience on Saturday and I'm grateful for that. Right now I am obsessed with 10x is easier than 2x by Ed Hardy and Dan Sullivan.

Pualei: 36:02

That has become my life Bible. My business Bible has become my life Bible, my business Bible. It speaks to true growth. It's all about transformation and um, it's just a profound profound book.

Camille: 36:18

That sounds amazing. Did you listen to it or read it? Which way did you prefer?

Pualei: 36:22

it, I listened to it, I've listened to it multiple times, and then I also. I don't have a hard copy right now. I've borrowed one, but definitely get the hard copy.

Camille: 36:37

Yeah, I'll check that out for sure.

Pualei: 36:39

It's yes. Their other book that they wrote together is called the Gap and the Gain. Oh, yeah, I read that one, yeah, so that. So this is the next one. It's 10 X is easier than two X. Okay, if you've read gap and the gain and you loved it, you will love 10 X and this will be huge. With what you're, yeah, yeah, what you told me about earlier, what you're, you have fun and what you're launching, yes, what she's referencing is the CEO coaching group.

Camille: 37:06

Coaching, if you haven't heard about it yet. It's using neuroscience, networking and masterminding for women in business to reach their next goals, and it's a year long training within in-person events as well, like. You've probably heard me mention it, but if you haven't, you can go to CEOco to check that out. So, oh my God, a goodness. Well, paule, we have gone through quite the journey here today. Please tell our audience where they can connect with you and hear more about this amazing mission.

Pualei: 37:37

Yes, thank you. Just go to Instagram it's P-U-A-L-E-I-L-Y-N-N. That's the best way to get in touch with me and everything's sort of linked there for how to find the rest of the things that I offer and what I like to help women with. So yeah, Thank you.

Camille: 38:00

You're amazing and you're beautiful. And do you even age? I'm like how does this woman have children that are adults? I have a grandbaby.

Pualei: 38:07

My first grandchild. Do you even age? I'm like how does this woman have children that adults, you're are adults so sweet. I have a grandbaby, my first grandchild, oh well yeah, so I'm very grateful, very grateful, thank you.

Camille: 38:16

That's amazing.

Pualei: 38:16

Of course.

Camille: 38:18

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